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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Wow, I didn't know I would cause all this debate!!<BR>
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Anyways, I modified a zone that I want to split into 2 non-identical zones. Then I had a hole in my building.<BR>
I created a new space and a new polygon. I fitted the polygon into the empty hole as seen in "2D Polygon.jpg".<BR>
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Then after I returned to the 2D view mode, I discovered that the space is not located properly!! It's 9:45PM and I'm still at the office! This modeling thing is frustrating!<BR>
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I also attach the eQUEST files, if someone can please help. If someone was very kind to clearly help me sort this zone out, I think I can continue the rest of the building zones modifications in peace!<BR>
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Many thanks!<BR>
Omar<BR>
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From: equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org on behalf of tim<BR>
Sent: Wed 7/21/2010 9:18 PM<BR>
To: 'Bishop, Bill'<BR>
Cc: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<BR>
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Wow Bill - that is cool - thanks for that. Not sure I will be that adept<BR>
after my 7000 square foot project, but it's good to know the capabilities.<BR>
This building was generated in equest? I did find where you can change the<BR>
pitch of the roof by degrees! <BR>
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I have never use revit with equest btw - I was just reacting bitterly to my<BR>
first go at trying to use that interface. I tried to customize zones and<BR>
came up with some crazy thing that looked like a tree house for monkeys.<BR>
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Thanks for helping me believe.<BR>
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Tim<BR>
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From: Bishop, Bill [<A HREF="mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com">mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</A>]<BR>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:00 PM<BR>
To: tim<BR>
Cc: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR>
Subject: RE: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<BR>
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Tim,<BR>
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Yes, you can do complex roofs if you work at it and nobody reminds you that<BR>
you're working on a deadline. (See attached.) Ditto Carol's Revit comment<BR>
and Lan's simpler-is-better-to-a-point advice.<BR>
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Regards,<BR>
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Bill<BR>
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From: equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org<BR>
[<A HREF="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A>] On Behalf Of Li, Lan<BR>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:42 PM<BR>
To: tim; Carol Gardner<BR>
Cc: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<BR>
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Tim,<BR>
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I think eQuest is an energy modeling program and we are more concerned in<BR>
BTU/ton terms - or $$ at the end. If the roof was built somewhat differently<BR>
by modeler as it was shown on architectural drawings, my question is only<BR>
how much it will affect the energy usage. If it is a minor, I won't drive<BR>
myself crazy to make them same. If you read Ashare 90-1, simplify building<BR>
geometry for energy simulation purpose is allowed. Also when we model a<BR>
building, we can have tons of inputs and lots of assumptions are made either<BR>
by us or by the program itself, I think majority of them can have a bigger<BR>
impact on our goal than build a prefect roof/building shell. I might be one<BR>
of the lazy modelers. Hope you can enjoy eQuest a little bit more.<BR>
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Thanks!<BR>
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Lan<BR>
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From: tim [<A HREF="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net">mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net</A>]<BR>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:29 PM<BR>
To: 'Carol Gardner'<BR>
Cc: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<BR>
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If you're complimenting me on my observation, my awareness must be at an<BR>
all-time high today.<BR>
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How about a complex roof shape like the one attached? Notice ridge lines<BR>
don't match and there is a gable at the porch end as well as the building<BR>
end.<BR>
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Can equest do that too? As long as one would put in the training time of<BR>
course.<BR>
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Tim<BR>
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From: Carol Gardner [<A HREF="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com">mailto:cmg750@gmail.com</A>]<BR>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:01 PM<BR>
To: tim<BR>
Cc: Omar Katanani; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<BR>
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Well, at least your powers of observation aren't suffering.<BR>
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Yes, you can model individual ceiling heights per room. You can do almost<BR>
anything once you take the time to learn how. What are the specifics of what<BR>
you want to do: model a room with two different ceiling heights or model a<BR>
bunch of rooms with one height and a bunch with another height? A picture<BR>
would be great if ya have one.<BR>
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:56 AM, tim <tim.jgrier@fuse.net> wrote:<BR>
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Wow - I think I struck a nerve.<BR>
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On a related note.<BR>
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Does equest have a way to model individual ceiling heights per room?<BR>
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Thanks,<BR>
<BR>
Tim<BR>
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From: Carol Gardner [<A HREF="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com">mailto:cmg750@gmail.com</A>]<BR>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:43 PM<BR>
To: tim<BR>
Cc: Omar Katanani; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR>
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Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<BR>
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I have got to protest this one, sorry Tim.<BR>
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Buying a Revit license to be able to accurately model geometry in eQUEST is,<BR>
to be blunt, crazy. It's really pretty easy to revise your geometry and if<BR>
you can't do that using one of the 3 methods I provided earlier, you need to<BR>
figure out how to train yourself better or leave the field. It's not just a<BR>
matter of being able to use eQUEST at this point, it's a matter of being<BR>
able to generate an accurate model using any tool. Being able to import CAD<BR>
or Revit data into energy models is a recent development. Frankly, I<BR>
question it's utility, especially if people now think they have to use it or<BR>
they can't model a building. Friendly front ends like eQUEST, DesignBuilder,<BR>
etc., are great but you need to know how a building operates and how the<BR>
systems work or it's just GIGO.<BR>
<BR>
Carol<BR>
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:29 AM, tim <tim.jgrier@fuse.net> wrote:<BR>
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Omar<BR>
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I haven't had much luck with customizing spaces either. <BR>
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I think there is a way to import a revit model file into equest. If I<BR>
needed complicated zones & spatial geometry, I would probably consider a<BR>
revit license, but with that come's more money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone<BR>
license) and possibly more training, but might save a whole lot of headache.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Seems like equest is more of an energy modeler than an accurate building<BR>
modeler.<BR>
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tim <BR>
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From: equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org<BR>
[<A HREF="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A>] On Behalf Of Omar<BR>
Katanani<BR>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM<BR>
To: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR>
Subject: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<BR>
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Dear all,<BR>
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Once again, another problem!<BR>
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I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For<BR>
example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being<BR>
a different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones "1"<BR>
and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to be that of zone "1",<BR>
and then add another zone "2" from scratch? If this is what should be done,<BR>
how can I do this accurately?<BR>
<BR>
Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in<BR>
2-D or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle<BR>
to the left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the<BR>
building. But it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some<BR>
problem of coordinate references or so!<BR>
So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices,<BR>
I'm suffering!<BR>
<BR>
Many thanks!<BR>
Omar<BR>
<BR>
___________________________<BR>
<BR>
Omar Katanani<BR>
Sustainable Design Engineer<BR>
Email: omar@ecoconsulting.net<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
EcoConsulting (Lebanon)<BR>
Nahas Building, 4th floor<BR>
4 St-Maron Street / Georges Haddad Avenue<BR>
Postal Code: 2028 5806 SAIFI<BR>
Beirut, Lebanon<BR>
Tel: +961 (0) 1 971 255<BR>
Mobile: +961 (0) 3 045 045<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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28 Marshalsea Road<BR>
London, SE1 1HF<BR>
Tel: +44 (0)207 939 0989<BR>
Fax: +44 (0)207 939 0981<BR>
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