I agree with Nick: the cautions are erroneous. Why they even show up is a mystery especially for a default curve. I spent quite a bit of time trying to use the DIAGNOSTIC command to turn off errors and cautions like these, which raise questions from reviewers that then need to be answered by us hapless modelers: to no avail. I tried putting DIAGNOSTIC ERRORS at the start of the file, the middle of the file, the end of the file, using BDL but to no avail. It just disappears. It would be very handy to be able to use the DIAGNOSTIC command the way it is supposed to be used, to evaluate as many entries as you want when you start your model and then to get rid of superfluous warnings and cautions when you are done. I sure hope the eQUEST development team sees fit to fix this soon!<br>
<br>Carol<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Nick Caton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Varkie,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If it’s any consolation, I’ve dug deep at this CAUTION and come
up with little. There’s an extended discussion between myself and others on
the list trying to determine the root of these FPLR cautions, but to the best
of my knowledge it’s a mystery. I can say these cautions appear erroneous, as the
CFM’s modeled by the corresponding fans appear to remain within expected
ranges. For further reading, search for “CAUTION: Variable Speed Drive FPLR”
in the archives.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Once
I determined the cautions were erroneous, I went on to try and figure out how
to have eQuest not report cautions, so I could get a clean ATTN report, but I’ve
yet to successfully use the line </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">DIAGNOSTIC WARNINGS ..</span> <span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">within an *.inp (I’m not sure
it’s possible, actually). I’d be interested to hear if you can come up with
any new information…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Best of luck!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">
<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Varkie
C Thomas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 19, 2010 9:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carol Gardner<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@onebuilding.org</a><div class="im"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] CAUTION and WARNING Messages</div></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Carol.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>There
were no changes to the FPLR curve data.</span></b><span> I am trying to create case studies for teaching based
on projects that were modeled with DOE21E. It could be any program. The
buildings are modified and simplified to eliminate repetitive details and to
demonstrate design issues. With eQ the building and the envelope (even complex
ones) can be created within a couple of hours by tracing ACAD drawings. But on
large project you cannot recognize any of the components names in the reports.
The DOE2 programs require a component name before entering the data. eQ should
make this a priority in future versions. I think I will continue creating the
building model in eQ and use the dimensional data in eQ (azimuths, coordinates,
lengths, areas, etc) in creating DOE21E models and analyze the options in
DOE21E. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Varkie</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>-----
Original Message -----</span></b><span></span></p>
<p><b>From</b>: Carol Gardner <<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>></p>
<p><b>Date</b>: Monday, July 19, 2010 0:58 am</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject</b>: Re: [Equest-users] CAUTION and WARNING
Messages </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Varkie,<br>
<br>
I took a quick look at this and I don't see the problem either. Did you make
any changes to the FPLR curve data?<br>
<br>
Carol</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I hope
someone can help me. I am getting CAUTION messages </span><b><i><span>�</span></i></b><b><i><span> In curve: Variable Speed Drive
FPLR the dependent value is exceeding </span></i></b><b><i><span>the limits. Etc.,</span></i></b><b><i><span>�</span></i></b><b><i><span> </span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The first
one (my attempt at modeling the baseline without WSE that I enquired about
earlier) <b><span style="color: rgb(192, 0, 0);">used all eQUEST defaults for the bldg
type </span></b></span><b><span style="color: rgb(192, 0, 0);">�</span></b><b><span style="color: rgb(192, 0, 0);">High-Tech & Bio-Tech</span></b><b><span style="color: rgb(192, 0, 0);">�</span></b><b><span style="color: rgb(192, 0, 0);"> including
dimensions. Only the Misc-Eqp was changed to 5 watts/sf.</span></b><span> <b><i>The attached eQ inp-pd2
files are in Detailed-Edit</i></b>. There were about 20 pages of </span><span>�</span><span>curve</span><span>�</span><span>
CAUTION messages.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The second
is for a hotel bldg. <b><i>The attached eQ inp-pd2 files are In
Design-Development</i></b>. You can view them in DD. <b><span style="color: rgb(192, 0, 0);">Except for minor changes, the input for all Shells used
eQ defaults.</span></b> The component names (schedules, spaces, zones, etc)
are also eQ defaults. There were about 2000 pages of </span><span>�</span><span>curve</span><span>�</span><span>
CAUTION messages.</span> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The third
is for an office bldg. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In Run-1, <b><span style="color: rgb(192, 0, 0);">except for changing the component names, the input for
all Shells used eQ defaults</span>.</b> There were about 2000 pages of </span><span>�</span><span>curve</span><span>�</span><span>
CAUTION messages. No WARNING messages</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Run-2 used <b><span style="color: rgb(192, 0, 0);">OA-FROM-SYSTEM</span></b>. <b><i>There were several
WARNING regarding heat capacity</i></b> <b><i>and the CAUTION messages of
Run-1.</i></b></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span>I
have attached (1) the eQ inp & pd2 files ; (2) the CAUTION & WARNING
messages; and (3) the project descriptions of all the examples</span></i></b><b><span>.</span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Varkie.</span></p>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Carol Gardner PE<br>
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