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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi John,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My perceptive powers are not the greatest, as my wife will
assure you, but I&#8217;m failing to see the reason to get any feathers need to
be hackled here (I did miss your reply, perhaps it wasn&#8217;t copied to the
list?)&#8230;.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The reality that DOE2 has a &#8220;no child-zone left behind act&#8221;
of sorts is just the nature of the beast, and nobody is arguing that&#8217;s
unintuitive &#8211; it&#8217;s simply something we have to learn as we become
familiar with the engine.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;d expect this
issue to be resolved in the next major update as it&#8217;s something a user
can work around (unlike some other more pertinent issues), as Dakota is plainly
demonstrating with his (typically) thorough response.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Everyone is here to help each other, rest assured (^_^)b, those
who aren&#8217;t don&#8217;t stick around long, and Dakota&#8217;s certainly been
around for awhile!&nbsp; If you have a &#8220;more correct&#8221; or otherwise
better solution to handling unconditioned zones before or after the wizards, I
would personally like to know also &#8211; I do the same as Dakota.&nbsp; I
understand others simply ignore the zone grouping wizard screens altogether
(though I find them to be quite a time-saver), so his inclusion of &#8220;simply
do this&#8221; in detailed is very appropriate to the group at large&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Wishing everyone a safe and happy weekend,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
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color:#2D4D5E'>Check out our new web-site @ </span></i><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John
David Waller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 16, 2010 3:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dakota Kelley<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] eQUEST unconditioned spaces<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>Maybe I was too vague in my reply.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>I, too, was hoping for some insight into this particular
issue.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>While I do believe this to be a software (developer)
oversight, I also believe that any offered solution(s) to such a 'problem'
could be handled with slightly more dignity; perhaps even some humility!<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>It is more likely that 'this' is a software issue more than
anything else. &nbsp;Hopefully this, and many other issues, will have been
addressed in '3.6.4'!<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>It makes absolutely no sense to me to assign a system to
'unconditioned space' that is being used to 'condition', condition space. Since
every 'space', or zone requires the assignment of a specific mechanical system,
then wouldn't it be likely [as in the 'real world' vs. our 'virtual' one, be
equipped with 'NO&quot; system since it is 'NOT' conditioned, versus an
'operable' system that supplies conditioning to a space that requires such?
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>While it agreed that all zone 'must belong to a system', I'm
not convinced that your [emphatic] solution employs the ideal method for
addressing such an issue. &nbsp;It seems to me that you're placing her back to
the same point in which she came to discover such a unique condition.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Looking forward to a legitimate response!<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Sincerely--<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>John<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Dakota Kelley &lt;<a
href="mailto:dakotak@teliospc.com">dakotak@teliospc.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Amber,</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>If I&#8217;m following your description, you must be
specifying the unconditioned zone in Shell Wizard/Screen 2/Zone Characteristics
button.&nbsp; Then you&#8217;re obviously specifying system-per-floor in the
HVAC wizard.&nbsp; This sounds like it should work, but what is happening is
Shell Wizard/Screen 14 settings are trumping Shell Wizard/Screen 2.&nbsp; There
are two solutions:</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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style='color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><span style='color:#1F497D'>1)</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style='color:#1F497D'>Simply
change the zones to unconditioned in the detailed interface.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><span style='color:#1F497D'>2)</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style='color:#1F497D'>Create
a new zone group in Shell Wizard/Screen 14.&nbsp; Assign the unconditioned
zones to this group, and then make sure the &#8220;Conditioned&#8221; check box
is <i>not</i> checked.&nbsp; Assign the group to whatever system makes sense
and move on (making sure that at least one conditioned zone group is also
assigned to that system).&nbsp; All zones have to belong to a system, but if
they&#8217;re unconditioned their parent system is irrelevant.&nbsp; This
method is only slightly longer than the one above, but it lets you stay in the
wizard.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>If you try to leave an unconditioned &#8220;on its
own&#8221;, which I interpret as being assigned to its own single-zone system,
you&#8217;ll get an error saying every system has to have at least one
conditioned zone.&nbsp; Let me know if I have misunderstood you.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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color:black'>DAKOTA KELLEY </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>

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margin-left:.5in;text-indent:27.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Project
Designer | Energy Analyst</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Welsh [mailto:<a href="mailto:amber@timmonsdesigneng.com" target="_blank">amber@timmonsdesigneng.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] eQUEST unconditioned spaces</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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is the best way to handle unconditioned spaces in eQUEST?&nbsp; Right now, I am
zoning it separate and calling it unconditioned in the WIZARD.&nbsp; Then, when
I assign systems, I am putting the unconditioned zone in a system with a
conditioned space and saying &#8220; one system per floor&#8221;.&nbsp; Is this
the proper way to do it?<o:p></o:p></p>

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have tried just leaving the zone as unconditioned and on its own, but then when
I do the &#8220;permit submittal&#8221; calculation it still asks for the fan
flow and cooling capacity for that zone.<o:p></o:p></p>

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