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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">You are so right. I will
put this down for a while. Put my feet up and have a cold one.<br>
Bruce<br>
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On 09/07/2010 07:35 PM, John Aulbach wrote:
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<div>Thank God a weekend is coming up. Everyone stop simulations and
visit their families.</div>
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<div>The .INP file is the raw data entry in DOE-2.,2 that the eQuest
.PD2 recognizes to formulate a run. The .BDL file is the "digested"
input information after DOE-2.2 (the engine) error checks the input.
The core program actually uses the .BDL file for its input.</div>
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<div>I suppose you could change the .BDL file. But the eQuest front
end (.PD2) displays what is sees in the .INP files NOT the .PD2 file.</div>
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<div>It is finished....<br>
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<hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
Bruce Easterbrook <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca"><bruce5@bellnet.ca></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Nick Caton
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com"><ncaton@smithboucher.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, July 9,
2010 3:59:34 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[Equest-users] Strange errors in file- HELP!<br>
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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I guess my question has
opened a can of worms but that was why I asked the question. Maybe the
eQuest code writers will have to answer this one</font>. Maybe I was
delirious after 16 hours on the computer when I made my observations.
I noticed that wizard changes were inserted at the end of the INP file
when you press finish. If you then press simulate, eQuest will do
another run of the (a) BDL file. It does not seem to be a new BDL
file, possibly a modified one based on the current INP file ie changes
tacked onto the end, maybe just the old BDL file. Certain line based
errors don't seem to get updated unless the program is shutdown, opened
and recompiled. My new simulation was kicking out on the same line
error as before. Maybe I adjusted the BDL file by mistake, but I don't
think I did, I adjusted the INP file. Finally in frustration I closed
the project and went to bed. Opened the same file in the morning, it
compiled perfect, pressed simulate and that ran too. So the new
question is what is different between doing a save in the program,
simulating, and shutting down, restarting and simulating? When does
the line order in the INP file get updated? Maybe this is why Carol
likes editing in the INP file so much, she fixes the error at the line
it occurred at, rather than the wizard fix which seems to append the
INP file. I did do a INP fix where I noticed the call for a change I
had make had caused the run to fail. I just grabbed the change from
the end of the INP file, moved it up to before the call, saved it and
then the simulation ran.<br>
Contradicting Nick, it seems to me the INP file is the active file for
making changes and the BDL file is the compiled result from the INP
file that is used to run the simulation. If you change the BDL file
then it will be over-written. But on the other hand Nick does know the
program extremely well and has had success changing the BDL file. All
this seems to support my contention that there is a difference in how
eQuest treats a full shutdown and recompile verses one in the program
with just a save. Dating myself here, I haven't written and compiled
code since the days of card readers. For the program to run you have
to compile the whole program. You can have discrete programs making up
the whole, they can be compiled and test run separately, but in the
end, you have to compile the whole program at once. Thoughts?<br>
Bruce<br>
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On 09/07/2010 04:22 PM, Nick Caton wrote:
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</span></span></span><span
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“Finish” button in the wizards, an .inp file is generated based on the
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</span></span></span><span
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you will never get anywhere pasting into the .inp because that .inp
will get overwritten (a new one is generated) every time you “finish”
your wizard screens.</span></p>
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style="color: windowtext; font-size: 10pt;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Demba Ndiaye<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 09, 2010 3:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bruce Easterbrook; Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr.; <a
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href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Strange errors in file- HELP!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">To your question (My
question is does eQuest take the INP file and create a new BDL file on
opening the project? I'm referring to the initial run (compile) eQuest
does on opening, is it creating a new BDL file?), answer is YES.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Easterbrook<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 09, 2010 3:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr.; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com">cmg750@gmail.com</a><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Strange errors in file- HELP!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a question, partly due to my ramble a
few weeks ago on the wizards and how I use them. After a long series
of adjustments I shutdown and re-initialize the program. My question
is does eQuest take the INP file and create a new BDL file on opening
the project? I'm referring to the initial run (compile) eQuest does on
opening, is it creating a new BDL file?<br>
To second what everyone else is saying, certain errors are easier fixed
in the INP file, like these ones. The main thing to remember is to
always have a backup copy. The most important one is your last one
before you leave the wizards. Then go for it, if you crash it, copy
your copy and try and other tack.<br>
Bruce<br>
Abode Eng.<br>
<br>
On 09/07/2010 02:48 PM, Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr. wrote: </p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="MsoNormal">one thing you can
do is make changes to the .pd2 and .inp files using notepad once you've
figured out what you need to change. for example, if your EL3 East
Perim Plnm (G.E6) was referenced but is no longer defined, you have a
plenum space that belonged to a space that changed names during a
zoning change. look at the .inp file line number, find out which space
the EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) is supposed to correlate to and change
the name accordingly - in the .inp file. once these references are
corrected the simulation should run fine. <br>
<br>
you're probably looking at changing EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) to
whatever the new space name is (checking what comes before line 14898
can put you in the right direction on finding the correct name to
change to.<br>
<br>
and when you have a working simulation always backup your .pd2 (wizard
mode) and/or .inp (detailed mode) files even if you just copy them in
the same directory.</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">*ERROR****************************************************************************************</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">*ERROR*****EL3 East Perim Plnm
(G.E6) was referenced on line 14898 but never</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> defined.</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">*ERROR****************************************************************************************</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">*ERROR*****EL3 West Perim Spc
(G.W4) was referenced on line 15237 but never</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> defined.</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">*ERROR****************************************************************************************</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">*ERROR*****EL3 WNW Perim Plnm
(G.WNW7) was referenced on line 15377 but never</p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> defined.</p>
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On 7/9/10 11:23 AM, Carol Gardner wrote: </p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="MsoNormal">Hmm. Well I'm not
sure I understand exactly what you are asking, but here are my
recommendations. Finish what you need to do in DDWizard and get out of
it. I wouldn't even try to make the changes you are trying to make
while in the Wizard.<br>
<br>
Don't fear DD edit. You can do things in it just as easily as in the
Wizard, and if you get stuck we'll help. Like I said earlier, the
easiest way to see what and where the error is, is to open up the .bdl
and .inp files. That might be even scarier to you than DD edit, and
that's okay, you should be scared. You can mess up in a hurry but with
careful work you won't. <br>
<br>
Take a deep breath and get out of the Wizard!!<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Carol</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Paul Brooks
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:equestpaul@yahoo.com"
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wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the replies. I did look in the
BDL file, but did not realize I had to update the inp.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That being said, am I safe in assuming that,
if I stay in the DDwizard (not quite ready to leave yet), every time i
add information and compile, I will have the same error. The root
cause of the error is in the interface, correct? If that is the case,
then the reality is it just cannot be fixed unless i change the inp
file after compiling?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you again!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> Carol Gardner <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com">cmg750@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Brooks <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Cc:</b> eQuest user forum <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Sent:</b> Fri, July 9, 2010 1:32:58 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Strange errors in file- HELP!</span></p>
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Hi Paul,<br>
<br>
Here's my strategy when this happens to me. I open the <b>.inp</b>
file and the <b>.bd</b>l file in Word. I then use the Edit, Find
feature and search on ERROR in the <b>.bdl</b> file. When I find the
line that the error is occurring in I then fix it in the <b>.inp</b>
file. Repeat until all errors gone. You probably have an existing space
that shared an interior wall with your now deleted space and is trying
to reference it using" NEXT-TO". Be sure to fix the error in the <b>.inp</b>
file not the .bdl file, which I have done a few times. This is one
example of why it is good to familiarize yourself with the Building
Descriptive Language (BDL): you can make these sorts of fixes much
easier in your input deck using than trying to figure it out in DD
edit. Just be sure not to delete any delimiters (..) <br>
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Let me know how you do..<br>
<br>
Carol</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Paul Brooks
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:equestpaul@yahoo.com"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:equestpaul@yahoo.com">equestpaul@yahoo.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am modeling an addition to an existing
building. I originally did the shell/zoning using just the original
building. I then, after saving a back up copy of the base building, i
went back to the shell and zone drawing screens in the DD wizard and
expanded the shell to account for the addition, and then went into the
zone creation and adjusted my zones. I was sure to follow the rules
about matching verticies, etc.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now i am getting errors concerning the zone
and plenum. It appears that the program is still seeing plenums and
walls that are now non-existent. The program says that plenums are
being referenced but are not defined (see error message below).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anyone got any ideas on how to clear this?</p>
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