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<DIV>The .INP file is the raw data entry in DOE-2.,2 that the eQuest .PD2 recognizes to formulate a run. The .BDL file is the "digested" input information after DOE-2.2 (the engine) error checks the input. The core program actually uses the .BDL file for its input.</DIV>
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<DIV>I suppose you could change the .BDL file. But the eQuest front end (.PD2) displays what is sees in the .INP files NOT the .PD2 file.</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Bruce Easterbrook <bruce5@bellnet.ca><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Nick Caton <ncaton@smithboucher.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Fri, July 9, 2010 3:59:34 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Equest-users] Strange errors in file- HELP!<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I guess my question has opened a can of worms but that was why I asked the question. Maybe the eQuest code writers will have to answer this one</FONT>. Maybe I was delirious after 16 hours on the computer when I made my observations. I noticed that wizard changes were inserted at the end of the INP file when you press finish. If you then press simulate, eQuest will do another run of the (a) BDL file. It
does not seem to be a new BDL file, possibly a modified one based on the current INP file ie changes tacked onto the end, maybe just the old BDL file. Certain line based errors don't seem to get updated unless the program is shutdown, opened and recompiled. My new simulation was kicking out on the same line error as before. Maybe I adjusted the BDL file by mistake, but I don't think I did, I adjusted the INP file. Finally in frustration I closed the project and went to bed. Opened the same file in the morning, it compiled perfect, pressed simulate and that ran too. So the new question is what is different between doing a save in the program, simulating, and shutting down, restarting and simulating? When does the line order in the INP file get updated? Maybe this is why Carol likes editing in the INP file so much, she fixes the error at the line it occurred at, rather than the wizard fix which seems to
append the INP file. I did do a INP fix where I noticed the call for a change I had make had caused the run to fail. I just grabbed the change from the end of the INP file, moved it up to before the call, saved it and then the simulation ran.<BR>Contradicting Nick, it seems to me the INP file is the active file for making changes and the BDL file is the compiled result from the INP file that is used to run the simulation. If you change the BDL file then it will be over-written. But on the other hand Nick does know the program extremely well and has had success changing the BDL file. All this seems to support my contention that there is a difference in how eQuest treats a full shutdown and recompile verses one in the program with just a save. Dating myself here, I haven't written and compiled code since the days of card readers. For the program to run you have to compile the whole program. You can have
discrete programs making up the whole, they can be compiled and test run separately, but in the end, you have to compile the whole program at once. Thoughts?<BR>Bruce<BR><BR>On 09/07/2010 04:22 PM, Nick Caton wrote:
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<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN>-<SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">When you hit the “Finish” button in the wizards, an .inp file is generated based on the Wizard inputs (which are in the pd2)</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN>-<SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Whenever you run a simulation, whether in detailed or wizard mode, eQuest will first “evaluate” everything in the current .inp file. The generated report is the .bdl file.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">As a result of the above, changing anything in the .bdl file will do nothing for you – treat it simply as a report and make changes to the .inp file.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Additionally, if you are ever trying to copy/paste information into a wizard-level project, you will never get anywhere pasting into the .inp because that .inp will get overwritten (a new one is generated) every time you “finish” your wizard screens.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A> [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Demba Ndiaye<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 09, 2010 3:18 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Bruce Easterbrook; Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr.; <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com">cmg750@gmail.com</A><BR><B>Cc:</B> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Equest-users] Strange errors in file- HELP!</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To your question (My question is does eQuest take the INP file and create a new BDL file on opening the project? I'm referring to the initial run (compile) eQuest does on opening, is it creating a new BDL file?), answer is YES.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A> [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bruce Easterbrook<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 09, 2010 3:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr.; <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com">cmg750@gmail.com</A><BR><B>Cc:</B> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
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<P class=MsoNormal>I have a question, partly due to my ramble a few weeks ago on the wizards and how I use them. After a long series of adjustments I shutdown and re-initialize the program. My question is does eQuest take the INP file and create a new BDL file on opening the project? I'm referring to the initial run (compile) eQuest does on opening, is it creating a new BDL file?<BR>To second what everyone else is saying, certain errors are easier fixed in the INP file, like these ones. The main thing to remember is to always have a backup copy. The most important one is your last one before you leave the wizards. Then go for it, if you crash it, copy your copy and try and other tack.<BR>Bruce<BR>Abode Eng.<BR><BR>On 09/07/2010 02:48 PM, Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr. wrote: </P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>one thing you can do is make changes to the .pd2 and .inp files using notepad once you've figured out what you need to change. for example, if your EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) was referenced but is no longer defined, you have a plenum space that belonged to a space that changed names during a zoning change. look at the .inp file line number, find out which space the EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) is supposed to correlate to and change the name accordingly - in the .inp file. once these references are corrected the simulation should run fine. <BR><BR>you're probably looking at changing EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) to whatever the new space name is (checking what comes before line 14898 can put you in the right direction on finding the correct name to change to.<BR><BR>and when you have a working simulation always backup your .pd2 (wizard mode) and/or .inp (detailed mode) files even if you
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR>On 7/9/10 11:23 AM, Carol Gardner wrote: </P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Hmm. Well I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are asking, but here are my recommendations. Finish what you need to do in DDWizard and get out of it. I wouldn't even try to make the changes you are trying to make while in the Wizard.<BR><BR>Don't fear DD edit. You can do things in it just as easily as in the Wizard, and if you get stuck we'll help. Like I said earlier, the easiest way to see what and where the error is, is to open up the .bdl and .inp files. That might be even scarier to you than DD edit, and that's okay, you should be scared. You can mess up in a hurry but with careful work you won't. <BR><BR>Take a deep breath and get out of the Wizard!!<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Carol</P>
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