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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hey Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If by “stack” you
mean place one space geometrically over another, the answer is yes. If
you mean to ask whether zones can group spaces in different elevations, the
answer is also yes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>However, I would like to hammer
out your wording again to be sure we’re on the same page! I think
you meant to ask “Can you stack a space in a shell?” Spaces
are normally “inside” shells in a geometrical sense, as they are
generally within the shell footprint/boundaries.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Zones, in contrast, have nothing
to do with geometries – they are simply groupings of spaces with some
extra HVAC/airflow properties tacked on. Those spaces could be all over
the place – at different elevations, within different shells…
pretty much any combination from my experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Best of luck! If you are
getting tripped up, remember a picture is worth a thousand questions (?)…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><br>
~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>PS to all: The SD/DD Wizards
are, in my mind, kinda misleading with regard to helping new users understand the
distinction between “space” & “zone.” Some
work in detailed mode will eventually lead you to understand, but the Wizard
screens inconsistently interchange the terms and may cause others confusion in the
long run… See my description below for a simple breakdown if you are
cutting your teeth on eQuest ;).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Peter Hillermann
[mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 12:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Nick,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thanks
again. Can you stack a space in a zone?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
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letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi";
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letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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1.0pt'>westall</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:
75%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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letter-spacing:1.0pt'>architects</span></b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
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letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>c 678.898.2936<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>westallarchitects.com</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Agency FB";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Caton [mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 12:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Peter, I think you might be
leading yourself into some unnecessary confusion with your word choices…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>eQuest has 3 distinct entities:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><u><span style='color:#1F497D'>Shells</span></u><span
style='color:#1F497D'> are simply groups of spaces<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><u><span style='color:#1F497D'>Spaces</span></u><span
style='color:#1F497D'> are geometrical volumes, which may or may not have
floors, walls, ceilings, windows, etc. tied to them. Internal loads / daylighting
/ occupancies are attributed to spaces. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><u><span style='color:#1F497D'>Zones</span></u><span
style='color:#1F497D'> are simple entities that include one or more spaces,
with additional HVAC attributes like thermostat and airflow specifics. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You’re using
“floors” to interchangeable discuss all the above, it seems.
For clarity when discussing eQuest, “floors” are merely the
constructions we walk on, normally one attribute of a “space.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>All that said, it’s
entirely possible to model a “box within a box,” as you’re describing.
You are limited in the wizards (by their nature) with regard to defining
zones/footprints… the best approach depends on the nature of the space
footprints you want to model. If it’s very simply two stacked cubes
enclosed within a larger cube, I’d personally model one shell, with one
space carved out of the middle. Then I’d use the detailed mode to
shrink that space volume and partition/ceiling dimensions to match the first
floor office, then copy the entire space and its componenents for the second
floor. I’d adjust the largest cube’s volume (it’s a
space property) to correct the conditioned volume, and be sure all partitions
are correctly associating the three spaces together… With all
spaces sorted out, ensure your three spaces are correctly grouped with regard
to “zones,” for association with your HVAC system(s).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Clear as mud =)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER</span><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#CC9900'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter
Hillermann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 10:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Understanding Floors<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>To All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I just want to make sure I understand the properties behind
floors. If you have a square building volume with a smaller square inside it
that has 2 levels. EG:- an atrium as main space with 2 levels that are offices.
There will be a total of 3 floors in your model. Atrium floor, first floor
office and second floor office. Each of these will have a designated floor to
floor height. You cannot put one zone inside another on the same floor.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Is this correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>PETER HILLERMANN<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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