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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hey Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If by &#8220;stack&#8221; you
mean place one space geometrically over another, the answer is yes.&nbsp; If
you mean to ask whether zones can group spaces in different elevations, the
answer is also yes.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>However, I would like to hammer
out your wording again to be sure we&#8217;re on the same page! &nbsp;I think
you meant to ask &#8220;Can you stack a space in a shell?&#8221;&nbsp; Spaces
are normally &#8220;inside&#8221; shells in a geometrical sense, as they are
generally within the shell footprint/boundaries.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Zones, in contrast, have nothing
to do with geometries &#8211; they are simply groupings of spaces with some
extra HVAC/airflow properties tacked on.&nbsp; Those spaces could be all over
the place &#8211; at different elevations, within different shells&#8230;
pretty much any combination from my experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Best of luck!&nbsp; If you are
getting tripped up, remember a picture is worth a thousand questions (?)&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><br>
~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>PS to all:&nbsp; The SD/DD Wizards
are, in my mind, kinda misleading with regard to helping new users understand the
distinction between &#8220;space&#8221; &amp; &#8220;zone.&#8221;&nbsp; Some
work in detailed mode will eventually lead you to understand, but the Wizard
screens inconsistently interchange the terms and may cause others confusion in the
long run&#8230; See my description below for a simple breakdown if you are
cutting your teeth on eQuest ;).<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Peter Hillermann
[mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 12:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Nick,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thanks
again. Can you stack a space in a zone?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>PETER HILLERMANN<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>peterh@westallarchitects.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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1.0pt'>westall</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:
75%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Md";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>architects</span></b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
line-height:75%;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>3404 pierce drive<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>chamblee, georgia 30341<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>o 770.458.4113<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>f&nbsp; 770.458.5352<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>c 678.898.2936<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>westallarchitects.com</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Caton [mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 12:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Peter, I think you might be
leading yourself into some unnecessary confusion with your word choices&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>eQuest has 3 distinct entities:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><u><span style='color:#1F497D'>Shells</span></u><span
style='color:#1F497D'> are simply groups of spaces<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><u><span style='color:#1F497D'>Spaces</span></u><span
style='color:#1F497D'> are geometrical volumes, which may or may not have
floors, walls, ceilings, windows, etc. tied to them.&nbsp; Internal loads / daylighting
/ occupancies are attributed to spaces.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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</span></span></span><![endif]><u><span style='color:#1F497D'>Zones</span></u><span
style='color:#1F497D'> are simple entities that include one or more spaces,
with additional HVAC attributes like thermostat and airflow specifics. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You&#8217;re using
&#8220;floors&#8221; to interchangeable discuss all the above, it seems.&nbsp;
For clarity when discussing eQuest, &#8220;floors&#8221; are merely the
constructions we walk on, normally one attribute of a &#8220;space.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>All that said, it&#8217;s
entirely possible to model a &#8220;box within a box,&#8221; as you&#8217;re describing.&nbsp;
You are limited in the wizards (by their nature) with regard to defining
zones/footprints&#8230; the best approach depends on the nature of the space
footprints you want to model.&nbsp; If it&#8217;s very simply two stacked cubes
enclosed within a larger cube, I&#8217;d personally model one shell, with one
space carved out of the middle. &nbsp;Then I&#8217;d use the detailed mode to
shrink that space volume and partition/ceiling dimensions to match the first
floor office, then copy the entire space and its componenents for the second
floor.&nbsp; I&#8217;d adjust the largest cube&#8217;s volume (it&#8217;s a
space property) to correct the conditioned volume, and be sure all partitions
are correctly associating the three spaces together&#8230;&nbsp; With all
spaces sorted out, ensure your three spaces are correctly grouped with regard
to &#8220;zones,&#8221; for association with your HVAC system(s).<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Clear as mud =)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter
Hillermann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 10:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Understanding Floors<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>To All,<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>I just want to make sure I understand the properties behind
floors. If you have a square building volume with a smaller square inside it
that has 2 levels. EG:- an atrium as main space with 2 levels that are offices.
There will be a total of 3 floors in your model. Atrium floor, first floor
office and second floor office. Each of these will have a designated floor to
floor height. You cannot put one zone inside another on the same floor.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Is this correct?<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks, <o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk";
letter-spacing:1.0pt'>PETER HILLERMANN<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

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