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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> Just to add to what
Pasha and Nick are saying, you can also use multiple shells to define a
floor. Each of these shells is composed of a base polygon, the space.
Using the DD wizard you can break this space into numerous zones or
polygons. </font>You can also use the DD wizard to re-arrange these
zones/polygons in any fashion you choose into different HVAC zones.
eQuest will default to 1 HVAC zone per base polygon or space. Using
the DD wizard you can create new HVAC units and take zones from the
base polygon/HVAC system(s) to make new HVAC zones. This is totally
separate from the polygons, you are just grouping the polygons into a
system.<br>
The beauty of eQuest is the DD wizard and the visual interface to
create your model with an AutoCad dwg import feature. This is where
the human brain blows away any computer on the planet. The geometry of
your building is what drives the way you manipulate eQuest to create
your floors, shells and polygons. To be efficient you have to take a
serious look at your building before you start entering data. Each
polygon has 6 planes which have a thermodynamic exposure. You have to
build your building out of these polygons so you get your exposures
correct. The floor above will have an impact on how you build the
floor below because you have to get your exposed surfaces correct, ie
roofs, exterior walls.<br>
The unfortunate part of eQuest is to make it easy you need AutoCad,
a very expensive program. But you can use any cad program and build a
wire-frame to create your vertices's, you just have to input them by
hand on page 2 but easily doable. Even with AutoCad I still produce a
wire-frame to keep track of my input and correct maybe 15% of my cad
snap points. Another little trick is to know where all your interior
polygons/zones are going to intersect your base polygon/space. When
you input your base polygon/exterior shell put a vertex at each of
these intersection points as you go around the exterior. It will make
snapping to them much easier later when you enter your zones/polygons.<br>
Remember computer programs are really dumb. A to B, B to C...
eQuest will let you input junk, as long as you follow it's rules, it
will happily simulate this junk, and of course output junk. This is
where Engineering comes in, and it starts with meticulous input from a
plan, little bricks (polygons) to build a building model. Take a
little time at the start to make a plan, do a wire-frame, revise your
plan, and then go. It is like chess and you have to think ahead. If
your geometry is junk, so is everything else.<br>
I use the DD wizard extensively and almost exclusively, never edit
polygons in the detailed edit, rarely edit the INP file, and only for
tricky things, or I have made a mistake and have to recover from it.
The DD wizard is a great tool.<br>
Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
Abode Engineering<br>
<br>
On 21/06/2010 04:57 PM, Pasha Korber-Gonzalez wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:AANLkTikAKQGqvrrBXJwknq1quoHvfW0J3PQHz6ltIgTL@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>So Peter, when you say Floor, you are really referring to
"Shell", which is what the right terminology is in terms of eQuest.
Note: you can define multiple floors within a shell.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The wizard is not a completely useless tool, and when you set up
your buildings (i.e. building footprint & zoning) at the very least
can be done super easy in the wizard. Most of your detail work might
need to be done in the detailed edit mode, but don't underestimate the
benefits of the wizard inputs too. Efficiency is key for both the
building design and the simulator(s).</div>
<div> </div>
<div>pkg<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Peter
Hillermann <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:e190984026@exchange.1and1.com">e190984026@exchange.1and1.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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class="gmail_quote">
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Sorry wrong
terminology. By space I’m going back to what I said “Floor.” When you
open eQuest property tab for a designed floor it actually says floor
properties. These define the floor to ceiling and roof deck heights.
You can place multiple spaces in it and zones. All this applies to
detail mode and not the wizards. All my models are created in detail
mode I do not use the wizard for anything. So I apologize for any
confusion.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> Demba Ndiaye [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Demba.Ndiaye@setty.com"
target="_blank">Demba.Ndiaye@setty.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 4:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann; 'Pasha Korber-Gonzalez'; 'Sami,
Vikram'
<div class="im"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
</div>
<div>
<div class="h5"><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Understanding
Floors</div>
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</span></p>
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<div class="h5">
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Peter, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">What do you mean by
“I can put more than 1 zone into a space”?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Demba.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Peter Hillermann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 3:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Pasha Korber-Gonzalez'; 'Sami, Vikram'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">I can put more than
1 zone into a space. When you go to the HVAC tab it will show your
building together within that space. The problem I had was overlapping
zones, one stacked on top of the other with the same ceiling height so
I broke apart my office into 2 different floors as you can see by the
images. That’s where my question came from.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Thanks,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 10pt;"
lang="DE">PETER HILLERMANN</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 10pt;"
lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi','serif'; letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 8pt;"
lang="DE"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com" target="_blank">peterh@westallarchitects.com</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 10pt;"
lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p style="line-height: 75%;" class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="line-height: 75%; letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 14pt;"
lang="DE">westall</span></b><span
style="line-height: 75%; letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 14pt;"
lang="DE"></span></p>
<p style="line-height: 75%; margin-left: 4pt;" class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="line-height: 75%; letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 14pt;">architects</span></b><span
style="line-height: 75%; letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 14pt;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 10pt;">3404
pierce drive</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 10pt;">chamblee,
georgia 30341</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 8pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 8pt;">o
770.458.4113</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 8pt;">f
770.458.5352</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 8pt;">c
678.898.2936</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi','serif'; letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 8pt;"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://westallarchitects.com/"
target="_blank">westallarchitects.com</a></span><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
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style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"><img
alt="e-signature" src="cid:part1.00060503.02080806@bellnet.ca"
border="0" height="87" width="160"><img alt="USGBC-Logo"
src="cid:part2.07080604.07010301@bellnet.ca" border="0" height="90"
width="92"></span></p>
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style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> Pasha Korber-Gonzalez [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:pasha.pkconsulting@gmail.com"
target="_blank">pasha.pkconsulting@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 2:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sami, Vikram<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nick Caton; Peter Hillermann; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm with Vik- I thought it was only one space
to one zone, but if someone has a new way of things, please share...</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="MsoNormal">pkg</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Sami, Vikram
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Vikram.Sami@perkinswill.com"
target="_blank">Vikram.Sami@perkinswill.com</a>> wrote:</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Nick,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">How do
you group multiple spaces in one zone? I always thought you could do
only one space per zone. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: gray; font-size: 9pt;">Vikram
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Nick Caton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 2:00 PM </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> Re: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors</span>
</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hey
Peter,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If by
“stack” you mean place one space geometrically over another, the answer
is yes. If you mean to ask whether zones can group spaces in different
elevations, the answer is also yes. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">However,
I would like to hammer out your wording again to be sure we’re on the
same page! I think you meant to ask “Can you stack a space in a
shell?” Spaces are normally “inside” shells in a geometrical sense, as
they are generally within the shell footprint/boundaries.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Zones,
in contrast, have nothing to do with geometries – they are simply
groupings of spaces with some extra HVAC/airflow properties tacked on.
Those spaces could be all over the place – at different elevations,
within different shells… pretty much any combination from my experience.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Best of
luck! If you are getting tripped up, remember a picture is worth a
thousand questions (?)…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br>
~Nick</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">PS to
all: The SD/DD Wizards are, in my mind, kinda misleading with regard
to helping new users understand the distinction between “space” &
“zone.” Some work in detailed mode will eventually lead you to
understand, but the Wizard screens inconsistently interchange the terms
and may cause others confusion in the long run… See my description
below for a simple breakdown if you are cutting your teeth on eQuest ;).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> Peter Hillermann [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com"
target="_blank">peterh@westallarchitects.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 12:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Nick,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Thanks again.
Can you stack a space in a zone?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Thanks,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; font-size: 10pt;" lang="DE">PETER
HILLERMANN</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; font-size: 10pt;" lang="DE"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi','serif'; letter-spacing: 1pt; font-size: 8pt;"
lang="DE"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com" target="_blank">peterh@westallarchitects.com</a></span></p>
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<p style="line-height: 75%;" class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> Nick Caton [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com" target="_blank">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 12:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Peter,
I think you might be leading yourself into some unnecessary confusion
with your word choices…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">eQuest
has 3 distinct entities:</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">-</span><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 7pt;"> </span><u><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Shells</span></u><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> are simply groups of spaces</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">-</span><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 7pt;"> </span><u><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Spaces</span></u><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> are geometrical volumes, which may
or may not have floors, walls, ceilings, windows, etc. tied to them.
Internal loads / daylighting / occupancies are attributed to spaces. </span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">-</span><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 7pt;"> </span><u><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Zones</span></u><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> are simple entities that include one
or more spaces, with additional HVAC attributes like thermostat and
airflow specifics. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You’re
using “floors” to interchangeable discuss all the above, it seems. For
clarity when discussing eQuest, “floors” are merely the constructions
we walk on, normally one attribute of a “space.”</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">All
that said, it’s entirely possible to model a “box within a box,” as
you’re describing. You are limited in the wizards (by their nature)
with regard to defining zones/footprints… the best approach depends on
the nature of the space footprints you want to model. If it’s very
simply two stacked cubes enclosed within a larger cube, I’d personally
model one shell, with one space carved out of the middle. Then I’d use
the detailed mode to shrink that space volume and partition/ceiling
dimensions to match the first floor office, then copy the entire space
and its componenents for the second floor. I’d adjust the largest
cube’s volume (it’s a space property) to correct the conditioned
volume, and be sure all partitions are correctly associating the three
spaces together… With all spaces sorted out, ensure your three spaces
are correctly grouped with regard to “zones,” for association with your
HVAC system(s).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Clear
as mud =)?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">~Nick</span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">NICK
CATON, E.I.T.</span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a
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target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Peter Hillermann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 10:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Understanding Floors</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To All,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just want to make sure I understand the
properties behind floors. If you have a square building volume with a
smaller square inside it that has 2 levels. EG:- an atrium as main
space with 2 levels that are offices. There will be a total of 3 floors
in your model. Atrium floor, first floor office and second floor
office. Each of these will have a designated floor to floor height. You
cannot put one zone inside another on the same floor.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is this correct?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="letter-spacing: 1pt; font-size: 10pt;" lang="DE">PETER
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