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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I did not say the wizard was useless… I just don’t want to confuse anyone. Attached is my model to give a better understanding of where I’m coming from. I have nothing against the wizard but I really don’t want to confuse any other users that are using the wizards. My questions are based on terminology coming directly from the component tree in detail mode. You will notice under building shell a child component for a floor is a space.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Please do not misconstrue any of my comments as fact or that I know what I’m doing. I like many others am trying to learn the software on this forum. Again I mean no disrespect with any comments I make, they are just opinions and I’ll try keep them to a minimum.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Pasha Korber-Gonzalez [mailto:pasha.pkconsulting@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 4:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann<br><b>Cc:</b> Demba Ndiaye; Sami, Vikram; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>So Peter, when you say Floor, you are really referring to "Shell", which is what the right terminology is in terms of eQuest. Note: you can define multiple floors within a shell.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The wizard is not a completely useless tool, and when you set up your buildings (i.e. building footprint & zoning) at the very least can be done super easy in the wizard. Most of your detail work might need to be done in the detailed edit mode, but don't underestimate the benefits of the wizard inputs too. Efficiency is key for both the building design and the simulator(s).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>pkg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Peter Hillermann <<a href="mailto:e190984026@exchange.1and1.com">e190984026@exchange.1and1.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Sorry wrong terminology. By space I’m going back to what I said “Floor.” When you open eQuest property tab for a designed floor it actually says floor properties. These define the floor to ceiling and roof deck heights. You can place multiple spaces in it and zones. All this applies to detail mode and not the wizards. All my models are created in detail mode I do not use the wizard for anything. So I apologize for any confusion.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Demba Ndiaye [mailto:<a href="mailto:Demba.Ndiaye@setty.com" target="_blank">Demba.Ndiaye@setty.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 4:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann; 'Pasha Korber-Gonzalez'; 'Sami, Vikram' <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Peter, </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>What do you mean by “I can put more than 1 zone into a space”?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Demba.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Hillermann<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 3:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Pasha Korber-Gonzalez'; 'Sami, Vikram'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I can put more than 1 zone into a space. When you go to the HVAC tab it will show your building together within that space. The problem I had was overlapping zones, one stacked on top of the other with the same ceiling height so I broke apart my office into 2 different floors as you can see by the images. That’s where my question came from.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>PETER HILLERMANN</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi","serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><a href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com" target="_blank">peterh@westallarchitects.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:75%'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>westall</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.0pt;line-height:75%'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>architects</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>3404 pierce drive</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>chamblee, georgia 30341</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>o 770.458.4113</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>f 770.458.5352</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>c 678.898.2936</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi","serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><a href="http://westallarchitects.com/" target="_blank">westallarchitects.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=160 height=87 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CB1164.D036B880" alt=e-signature><img border=0 width=92 height=90 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.gif@01CB1164.D036B880" alt=USGBC-Logo></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Pasha Korber-Gonzalez [mailto:<a href="mailto:pasha.pkconsulting@gmail.com" target="_blank">pasha.pkconsulting@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 2:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> Sami, Vikram<br><b>Cc:</b> Nick Caton; Peter Hillermann; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'm with Vik- I thought it was only one space to one zone, but if someone has a new way of things, please share...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>pkg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Sami, Vikram <<a href="mailto:Vikram.Sami@perkinswill.com" target="_blank">Vikram.Sami@perkinswill.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Nick,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>How do you group multiple spaces in one zone? I always thought you could do only one space per zone. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=934 height=259 id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image003.jpg@01CB1164.D036B880"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>Vikram Sami</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>, LEED AP</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>Sustainable Design Analyst</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>1382 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA 30309</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>t: 404-443-7462 f: </span><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>404.892.5823 </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'> e: <a href="mailto:vikram.sami@perkinswill.com" target="_blank">vikram.sami@perkinswill.com</a> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.perkinswill.com/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray;text-decoration:none'>www.perkinswill.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:3.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'>Perkins+Will.</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:gray'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#ADD425'>Ideas + buildings that honor the broader goals of society</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Caton<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 2:00 PM </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br><b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Re: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hey Peter,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>If by “stack” you mean place one space geometrically over another, the answer is yes. If you mean to ask whether zones can group spaces in different elevations, the answer is also yes. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>However, I would like to hammer out your wording again to be sure we’re on the same page! I think you meant to ask “Can you stack a space in a shell?” Spaces are normally “inside” shells in a geometrical sense, as they are generally within the shell footprint/boundaries.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Zones, in contrast, have nothing to do with geometries – they are simply groupings of spaces with some extra HVAC/airflow properties tacked on. Those spaces could be all over the place – at different elevations, within different shells… pretty much any combination from my experience.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Best of luck! If you are getting tripped up, remember a picture is worth a thousand questions (?)…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><br>~Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>PS to all: The SD/DD Wizards are, in my mind, kinda misleading with regard to helping new users understand the distinction between “space” & “zone.” Some work in detailed mode will eventually lead you to understand, but the Wizard screens inconsistently interchange the terms and may cause others confusion in the long run… See my description below for a simple breakdown if you are cutting your teeth on eQuest ;).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=119 height=37 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image004.jpg@01CB1164.D036B880" alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:#2D4D5E'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>Check out our new web-site @ </span></i><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.smithboucher.com/" target="_blank" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'> </span></u><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Peter Hillermann [mailto:<a href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com" target="_blank">peterh@westallarchitects.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 12:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nick Caton; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Nick,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks again. Can you stack a space in a zone?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>PETER HILLERMANN</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi","serif";letter-spacing:1.0pt'><a href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com" target="_blank">peterh@westallarchitects.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:75%'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>westall</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.0pt;line-height:75%'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>architects</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>3404 pierce drive</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>chamblee, georgia 30341</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>o 770.458.4113</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>f 770.458.5352</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>c 678.898.2936</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi","serif";letter-spacing:1.0pt'><a href="http://westallarchitects.com/" target="_blank">westallarchitects.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Nick Caton [mailto:<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com" target="_blank">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 12:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Peter, I think you might be leading yourself into some unnecessary confusion with your word choices…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>eQuest has 3 distinct entities:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><u><span style='color:#1F497D'>Shells</span></u><span style='color:#1F497D'> are simply groups of spaces</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><u><span style='color:#1F497D'>Spaces</span></u><span style='color:#1F497D'> are geometrical volumes, which may or may not have floors, walls, ceilings, windows, etc. tied to them. Internal loads / daylighting / occupancies are attributed to spaces. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><u><span style='color:#1F497D'>Zones</span></u><span style='color:#1F497D'> are simple entities that include one or more spaces, with additional HVAC attributes like thermostat and airflow specifics. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>You’re using “floors” to interchangeable discuss all the above, it seems. For clarity when discussing eQuest, “floors” are merely the constructions we walk on, normally one attribute of a “space.”</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>All that said, it’s entirely possible to model a “box within a box,” as you’re describing. You are limited in the wizards (by their nature) with regard to defining zones/footprints… the best approach depends on the nature of the space footprints you want to model. If it’s very simply two stacked cubes enclosed within a larger cube, I’d personally model one shell, with one space carved out of the middle. Then I’d use the detailed mode to shrink that space volume and partition/ceiling dimensions to match the first floor office, then copy the entire space and its componenents for the second floor. I’d adjust the largest cube’s volume (it’s a space property) to correct the conditioned volume, and be sure all partitions are correctly associating the three spaces together… With all spaces sorted out, ensure your three spaces are correctly grouped with regard to “zones,” for association with your HVAC system(s).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Clear as mud =)?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:#2D4D5E'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:#2D4D5E'>~Nick</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:#2D4D5E'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=119 height=37 id="_x0000_i1029" src="cid:image004.jpg@01CB1164.D036B880" alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:#2D4D5E'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>Check out our new web-site @ </span></i><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.smithboucher.com/" target="_blank" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'> </span></u><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Hillermann<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 21, 2010 10:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Understanding Floors</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>To All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I just want to make sure I understand the properties behind floors. If you have a square building volume with a smaller square inside it that has 2 levels. EG:- an atrium as main space with 2 levels that are offices. There will be a total of 3 floors in your model. Atrium floor, first floor office and second floor office. Each of these will have a designated floor to floor height. You cannot put one zone inside another on the same floor.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Is this correct?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>PETER HILLERMANN</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi","serif";letter-spacing:1.0pt'><a href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com" target="_blank">peterh@westallarchitects.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:75%'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>westall</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.0pt;line-height:75%'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>architects</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>3404 pierce drive</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>chamblee, georgia 30341</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>o 770.458.4113</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>f 770.458.5352</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>c 678.898.2936</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;letter-spacing:1.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi","serif";letter-spacing:1.0pt'><a href="http://westallarchitects.com/" target="_blank">westallarchitects.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><img border=0 width=160 height=87 id="_x0000_i1030" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CB1164.D036B880" alt=e-signature><img border=0 width=92 height=90 id="_x0000_i1031" src="cid:image002.gif@01CB1164.D036B880" alt=USGBC-Logo><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:gray'>This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the addressee. 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