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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’d put $20 on it being a hardware issue with your graphics
card. eQuest is pretty taxing on your graphics card, and I’ve had models that
show a 3D view tab on some computers but don’t show it on similarly equipped
computers with lesser graphics cards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Try it on another computer and see if you have any luck!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>-James<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan F<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 10, 2010 3:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Pasha Korber-Gonzalez<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] lost the 3D Geometry tab<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>As far as testing - I
absolutely do spend a great deal of time testing my models. My point was
that I haven't had a chance today to determine if the issue was only occurring
as a direct result of selecting the self shading. <br>
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I don't need the 3-D view other than to visually inspect the input that was
done by others.<br>
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I will try closing everything else to see if it helps. I have had
significant issues with the size of this model.<br>
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Thanks for the response.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Pasha Korber-Gonzalez <<a
href="mailto:pasha.pkconsulting@gmail.com">pasha.pkconsulting@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class=MsoNormal>my guess is that this is a memory/refresh issue that eQuest
& your computer are fighting about. If you have many other programs
open while you are trying to run a really LARGE eQuest file you will run into
issues with the 3-D graphic viewer and memory problems.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As far as "testing"--we are engineers &
scientist and all good models and all good simulators run "tests" or
"experiments" to better understand how the program is behaving.
Remember two things: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>1) if you are not "testing" your models, you are
not doing quality work to make yourself a good simulator--(I hate it too
sometimes, but I have to force myself to be the scientist that I am and that I
was trained to be. We have to "suck it up" and take the extra
time to do the extra work. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2) just because you see a problem with eQuest itself
doesn't always mean that there is a problem with your simulation (DOE-2.2)
results...remember that eQuest is a user interface and effectively eQuest is
only the translator between you (the user) and DOE-2 the simulation
engine. Sometimes if you can get by with out having to see the 3-D model
images you can still run your simulations without the visual reference.
If you don't need to look at your 3-D model view you should still be okay to
continue with your inputs and go foward with your simulation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>For more assistance post your .pd2 & .inp file for
others to look at, however where you had mentioned your file takes soooo long
to open this is discouraging to those of us that are trying to meet our own
project deadlines. One other thought for the future is to work with an
experienced modeler or attend a training class where you can learn how to
simplify your models and inputs for the sake of a more efficient model file
without losing design details that will affect the energy
consumption. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>My immediate advice would be: close every other
program you are running simultaneously, and it might even be beneficial to just
restart your computer to clear it's memory, and then run some experiments to
know what this visual error is or is not affecting in your model, try and
figure out how you can re-zone your model so that it simplifies the run times
on your model.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>Pasha<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Susan F <<a
href="mailto:modelsenergy@gmail.com">modelsenergy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The tab is really gone - see attached. It seems to be
when I set SHADING-SURFACE = YES. I haven't tested this many times yet
though as the model takes a long time to open. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Nick Caton <<a
href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If you mean the 3D view is blank
(typical on opening a large previous project in my experience), that’s
something easily corrected by running a simulation in my experience… if there’s
a faster way I’d like to hear it though!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If you mean you’ve literally lost the
tab on the top – that’s weird! I don’t have any answers for you, but it
might help to post a screenshot.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan F<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] lost the 3D Geometry tab</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In
one of my models I have lost the 3-D Geometry tab - any idea of how to get it
back?<br>
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TIA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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