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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thomas/Kelsey:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>A little while ago Adam Boyd put
forward a very handy resource I’m attaching. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You’re right in that the
root issue here is that you can’t really model a wall with no mass. When
you specify a layer by U-value only (simplified method), notice that you cannot
enter a mass for that layer. If you read the associated help files you’ll
learn this method of specifying materials is only intended for things with
negligible mass (i.e. air films). Specifying a whole construction with layers
and ignoring mass means you have a wall which is going to act really weird when
it comes time to figure out heat retention/transfer behavior with the exterior.
It works fine in simpler loads/modeling programs that assume information for
you, but in eQuest you have to account for mass in your constructions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>That said, Appendix G and
Appendix A do not explicitly tell us the thermal mass properties of the
intended baseline construction layers, but helpful fellows like Adam have
shared the legwork of looking these items up – read the thread below, examine
and try to import the attached .inp into your model.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kelsey
VanTassel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Thomas Vu; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] BDL Error<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hello Thomas,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I don’t think you can make
a construction where all the layers are R-value inputs. For a construction to
have layers the program must be able to calculate some mass for the wall. If you
want to specify only the thermal resistance of the wall choose “u-value
input” when you create a new construction and put in the overall u-value
for the wall assembly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas
Vu<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 01, 2010 7:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] BDL Error<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I get the following BDL error in my model<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>WALL has no heat capacity. U-Value used.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I am modeling the baseline envelope as prescribed in
Appendix G of 90.1-2004. Referring to Appendix A of 90.1-2004 to model
the baseline envelope, I created layers for the wall construction seen in
the attached screenshot. The resulting U-value for the wall is
0.124. Can I not model a wall in this manner? It seems specifying
the U-value alone in the construction layer would do the same thing.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#0F243E'>Thomas Vu, E.I.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#0F243E'>vietdrum@ufl.edu<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam.Boyd@CH2M.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] 90.1 and Appendix A Materials<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>A while back I developed an INP
file that contained all the baseline constructions for every climate zone. If
you’ve got the ASHRAE Fundamentals handbook for looking up material
properties, this was a pretty routine process. First create the new
materials/layers/constructions in detailed edit mode, Appendix A has some
detailed descriptions on what those should be (see A3.3.1 for steel framed
wall). Next open the inp file and delete everything except the materials,
layers and constructions. You can then import that inp file into any project
using the eQuest import function. I’ve attached the file I created for
this and just ask that you let me know if you find any mistakes!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’ve been considering
creating a similar file with the ASHRAE recommended schedules from the 90.1
User’s Manual, but not sure if this would be as useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Seth P. Spangler
[mailto:sspangle@rmf.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Riemer; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] 90.1 and Appendix A Materials<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#0070C0'>Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#0070C0'>I’ve been browsing through the ASHRAE DOE-2 files since
receiving your email. I believe I have been following the same rabbit trail
that Nick has so it would be great to have canned constructions. Can you
explain the best method for importing the ASHRAE constructions into a model? I
assume the edit must be made in the INP file. I typically try to avoid editing
the INP file since my knowledge of the “code” behind eQuest is
limited.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#0070C0'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";
color:#0070C0'>Seth Spangler, LEEDŽ AP <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul
Riemer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 26, 2010 5:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nick Caton'; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] 90.1 and Appendix A Materials<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Nick,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The DO2.1e input files available
as part of the 90.1 User's Manual rely on the DOE2 library of construction materials.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Paul Riemer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dunham<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick
Caton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 26, 2010 3:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] 90.1 and Appendix A Materials<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>Has anyone invested the time to create or otherwise stumbled
across an *.inp file that contains the materials defined in Appendix A9 for
easy import/use?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>I had a model reviewer (not USGBC) who was unsatisfied with the
material thermal properties in the default DOE2 library. I ultimately
went through the enormously entertaining exercise of defining materials with
matching prescriptive R-values, while still using library data to retain
appropriate thermal massing properties to avoid construction errors from
weightless constructions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>This was an isolated case, but I could see such a file being
a very handy resource for most modelers, particularly if it contained the
contents of Tables A9.2A and 9.2B to pull the effective insulation/framing
properties into our custom construction layers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>If this is flying over anyone’s head who’s
interested, attached is a partial example of what I’m talking about
– if you click File ā Import File… and navigate to this file,
you’ll have a couple defined materials ready to access for your project
within seconds – conceivably everything within 90.1 if someone had the
time to invest...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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margin-left:.5in'>On a related note… and I should have asked before, but
does Section A9.2 possibly exempt the rest of Section A9 for eQuest users who
rely on unmodified default library entries to define their custom envelope
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