<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)">
<style>
<!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book";
panose-1:2 11 5 3 2 1 2 2 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.EmailStyle17
{mso-style-type:personal;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D;}
span.EmailStyle18
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
color:black;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page Section1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
</head>
<body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple">
<div class="Section1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">It has always been offered if
someone asked, it is only a new phenomenon that someone has advertised.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Seems to be a help to the
community. It would only be a detriment if we start to get these announcements
on a daily basis from everyone, or if Carol or someone else follows-up with
each and every poster whether or not they mentioned any inclination for a paid
consultancy.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">A separate post from Gordon S. after
I started this one compares eQuest with HAP/Trace with paid help – there are
still plenty of people out there who don’t need assistance on a regular basis,
and enjoy using eQuest for free.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">If the user was inexperienced and
knew they would need a lot of help, then we’re talking a different story – but that
doesn’t cover the majority of practitioners. Hopefully most of those entering
the market are working with established modelers, but I guess there isn’t a
rule that you can’t enter the industry starting from scratch.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Personally I hope to offer advice
from time to time when I’m able (for free), and hopefully someone out there
will be willing to offer me a tip or two when I’m in need.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">As long as we don’t become
inundated with commercial requests I think the list will remain quite viable…even
lively!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">David</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">
</span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">David S. Eldridge, Jr.</span></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#244061">, P</span></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">.</span></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#244061">E</span></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">.</span></b><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#244061">,
LEED AP BD+C, BEMP, HBDP</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Project Manager</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#244061"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:4.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91">Direct: (847) 316-92</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">24</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91"> |
Fax: (</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">847</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91">) </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">328</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91">-</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">4550</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"><a href="http://www.grummanbutkus.com">http://www.grummanbutkus.com</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#244061">Grumman/Butkus Associates</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray"> </span><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365F91">| 820 Davis Street,
Suite 300 | Evanston, IL 60201</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:gray">Energy Efficiency Consultants and Sustainable Design Engineers</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black">
</span></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Haynes,
Glenn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dakota Kelley; Carol Gardner; eQUEST Users List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] eQUEST Help Desk Funding</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue">I do not have a strong opinion on this issue because it offers a
service not currently available. But to me the issue is one of effect on
the whole eQuest community. My fear is that once this service is offered,
many who have spent their valuable time offering free advice will tend to back
off and let the paid services take up the slack. This will probably
reduce the usefulness of the current list and leave small firms and individuals
without extra cash out. This may eventually reduce or destroy the
value of the free list service. The future of DOE2 and eQuest depends on
young beginners who currently have little money and need the free help.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue">This list is one of the few truly valuable free services available
in the world today. It provides a forum for old codgers like me to mentor
those younger and less experienced (those who need help the most and can afford
it the least), and, currently, I am in good company.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue">Glenn</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center">
<hr size="2" width="100%" align="center">
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dakota
Kelley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carol Gardner; eQUEST Users List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] eQUEST Help Desk Funding</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Carol,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Let me cut through the philosophical stuff and set a starting
bid: were I to find myself in need, I would pay $125/hr for one-on-one,
pay-per-use, phone/WebEx-style assistance, billed in 0.25 hr increments or each
fraction thereof, with a minimum charge of 0.5 hrs. This assumes the
person providing the help has both a mechanical engineering degree and years of
eQUEST experience, which appears to fit your description. If Portland has
not eliminated your Canadian accent, I would gladly pay aboot $126/hr..what’s another
loonie, eh? Naturally, there would be a high expectation that you should
be able to solve nearly any issue somewhat quickly, and you would have to
determine how you want to handle issues you are unable to resolve.
However, I have no qualms about charging or paying for one-on-one help…it’s
called “consulting”. In my early days I posted a couple questions and
received no responses – I could’ve just as easily been talking to my HP DeskJet
while printing “I hope that helps” messages to myself. Having an alternate,
fee-based help resource would have been a blessing. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">If I may enter the philosophical arena for a minute, I’m amazed
by the eQUEST users who will comfortably charge their clients thousands of
dollars for a model, using “free” software, but <i>expect</i> free assistance
and get up in arms when anyone brings up the idea of fee-based help (or that it
would be brought up on a forum created <i>for</i> eQUEST help). There has
been talk about helping for “the greater good of the modeling community”, but I
don’t find it to be intellectually honest. Such a notion is predicated on
an equal contribution from all participants, but the reality is that there are
far more help-seekers than help-providers, and such will always be the case
with voluntary forums. Quick questions that can be answered in five
minutes are not an issue, and the forum is wonderful for that, but when it
turns into me taking an hour or two to go through someone’s model for free,
while they get paid for my findings, is not inherently good for me or the
community. It has been done for me in the past, and I have paid it
forward. However, there are not enough active participants to make this
standard operating procedure. I also refute the notion that having an
alternate help source undermines the forum; the two are not mutually
exclusive. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">So, Carol, please put out your shingle. I might break my
model just for an excuse to call you.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black;text-transform:uppercase"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black">
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ignore:vglayout;position:
absolute;z-index:-1;margin-left:0px;margin-top:2px;width:71px;height:90px"><img width="71" height="90" src="cid:image001.png@01CAFCE8.419D71D0"></span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black">
DAKOTA KELLEY</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black">
</span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black"></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black">Project Designer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black">
Office: 214-744-6199</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black">
Cell: 214-280-3825</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black">
Fax: 214-744-0770 </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black">
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black"><a href="http://www.teliospc.com/"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">http://www.teliospc.com</span></a>
3535 Travis St. Suite 115 </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:black"><a href="mailto:dakotak@teliospc.com"><span style="font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif"">dakotak@teliospc.com</span></a>
Dallas, TX 75204 </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:#3333FF"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:#3333FF">| MEP ENGINEERING </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;
color:#3333FF">·</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:#3333FF"> ENERGY MODELING </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#3333FF">·
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:#3333FF">LEED CONSULTATION </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;
color:#3333FF">·</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";
color:#3333FF"> COMMISSIONING |</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:
"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;
font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";color:gray"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;
font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";color:gray"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;
font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";color:gray">CONFIDENTIALITY
NOTICE: This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to
which it is addressed, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;
font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";color:gray">And may contain
information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under
applicable law. If you </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;
font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";color:gray">are not the
intended recipient, please email the sender immediately, and delete this email
from all computers. Any </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;
font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif";color:gray">distribution or
other use is strictly prohibited. Copyright © 2010 Telios Corporation.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Carol Gardner
[mailto:<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com">cmg750@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> eQUEST Users List<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Benville, Jim; <a href="mailto:ed.wall@ee.doe.gov">ed.wall@ee.doe.gov</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] eQUEST Help Desk Funding</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">All,<br>
<br>
For the right amount of money, a dedicated land line, and a dedicated computer,
I will function as your dedicated Help Desk. Let me know who is interested in
funding me to be this resource. Let me know how much you think this resource is
worth. As you all know by now unless you've been sleeping, I am a self-employed
professional that takes time to answer your questions but must quit giving my
time away for free. <br clear="all">
<br>
-- <br>
Carol Gardner PE</p>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>