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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Scott, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I want to say off the bat that you
actually are asking a very good and fundamental question: What is a “best
practice” for matching baseline ventilation air rates to the proposed
model? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>My general processes is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>where I’ll
build a proposed model to match the drawings/schedules, address anything that
results in odd results/ warnings / unmet hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Build the baseline –
clear out any zone/system level OA inputs to autosize, then <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>For each airside system,
enter the 1.15/1.25 oversizing parameters and a “MIN-OA-RATIO” at
the system level to match the corresponding proposed design model’s system
ratio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Run both simulations
and compare results for ventilation air to determine if things are way off (and
they have been) – I use the SV-A reports and excel for this comparison<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Tweak baseline
systems’ OA-RATIOs as required up or down to make the total ventilation
air sync with the proposed model’s. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Following this procedure, which
I document for model review, the design system OA sums between the baseline
model, proposed model, and construction documents are typically very close to
each other, if not perfectly in sync.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Is this a procedure others are following
or is there a simpler way?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>To the rest of your email…
Different systems will use different amounts/types of energy for the same
amount of load (OA). Your baseline model’s tripling of gas
consumption isn’t something I’d immediately discount as
unreasonable, but worth reviewing to find something you may have missed –
perhaps lowering CFM’s are the culprit? In some cases, the core “secret”
to surprisingly outstanding proposed/baseline performance is getting lucky with
a terrible baseline… the prescriptive requirements, by their
nature, can be close to or far from “a good idea” for any given
project/site.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tomlinson,
Scott<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] eQuest - outside air heating issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I have a question regarding outside air input. For my
design building I enter my outside air at the system level, as the minimum
outside air ratio, which I get from my equipment schedules. 90.1 requires
that the outside airflow be the same. To do this I take my summary report
from my design building and enter the values from that report into the baseline
model zones. When I run my baseline model the outside airflow rates from the
summary report match those of my design model, and my unmet heating hours are
good in both models, but the heating gas consumption in my baseline building
triples. The result is I am getting great, but unrealistic, energy
savings.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Does anyone know why this is happening? Why would
entering the OA at the zone level cause such increased heating for the save
total CFM entered at the system level? How are you folks typically
handling your outside ventilation air.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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