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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I write with all of the onebuilding.org lists in mind. If they survive,
the onebuilding.org admin can publish and enforce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I assert that the lists have to stay non-commercial with no
money changing hands for any activity on it. Any convoluted attempt otherwise
is absurd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Whoever wants to perform modeling related services for a fee should
do so, off of the lists. Best wishes in those endeavors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Then we just need a few rules about the intersection, I propose:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>1) If you post a request to the list you are assumed to be open
to free advice and offers of fee based services unless you state otherwise.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>2) Those responding to requests with offers of fee based
services must do so off of the list, direct to the individual.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>3) Individuals who offer fee based services but are legitimately
posting to the discussion are allowed a signature line note to that effect like
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>"Offering modeling review and support services at ... "<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>4) Posting to list looking for project work is prohibited or
constrained (e.g. 1 per quarter). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Paul Riemer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dunham<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>P.S. If you are really good at DOE-2 and want to work reviewing
and supporting other modelers, I may know just the opportunity for you....for
the right price :).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gordon
D. Schweitzer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Haynes, Glenn; Dakota Kelley; Carol Gardner; eQUEST Users List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] eQUEST Help Desk Funding<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I sent an email to Carol but
thought I would jump on the bandwagon...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>From my understanding, eQUEST is
funded through the California government, through grants etc. Would an
"eQUEST help desk" grant be an option for receiving funding to do
what you are doing? Also, I agree that If this "help desk" was made
available, I do not think the listserv would be necessary/used. For
example, I am also a member of the TRACE listserve, but receive very few emails,
if any, as a member (because there is a paid support staff).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Once individuals would need to pay
to get answers to more "complex" questions, this "free"
software no longer becomes free. At that point, would it be more useful/cost
effective to switch to Trace or Hap who have dedicated (and paid) support staff
that answer questions for free (as part of the "seat" cost)?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Thanks to everyone for their
contributions,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Gordon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Gordon
D. Schweitzer III, LEED AP BD+C</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Mechanical
Engineer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Heapy Engineering</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><strong><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A LEED-NC SILVER CERTIFIED FACILITY</span></strong><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1400
West Dorothy Lane<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dayton, OH 45409-1310<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Phone: (937) 224-0861<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>FAX: (937) 224-5777<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="http://www.heapy.com/">www.heapy.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Haynes,
Glenn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dakota Kelley; Carol Gardner; eQUEST Users List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] eQUEST Help Desk Funding</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I do not have a strong opinion on
this issue because it offers a service not currently available. But to me
the issue is one of effect on the whole eQuest community. My fear is that
once this service is offered, many who have spent their valuable time offering
free advice will tend to back off and let the paid services take up the
slack. This will probably reduce the usefulness of the current list and
leave small firms and individuals without extra cash out. This may
eventually reduce or destroy the value of the free list service. The
future of DOE2 and eQuest depends on young beginners who currently have little
money and need the free help.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>This list is one of the few truly
valuable free services available in the world today. It provides a forum
for old codgers like me to mentor those younger and less experienced (those who
need help the most and can afford it the least), and, currently, I am in good
company.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Glenn</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dakota
Kelley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carol Gardner; eQUEST Users List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] eQUEST Help Desk Funding</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>Carol,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>Let me cut through the philosophical stuff and set a starting
bid: were I to find myself in need, I would pay $125/hr for one-on-one,
pay-per-use, phone/WebEx-style assistance, billed in 0.25 hr increments or each
fraction thereof, with a minimum charge of 0.5 hrs. This assumes the
person providing the help has both a mechanical engineering degree and years of
eQUEST experience, which appears to fit your description. If Portland has
not eliminated your Canadian accent, I would gladly pay aboot $126/hr..what’s
another loonie, eh? Naturally, there would be a high expectation that you
should be able to solve nearly any issue somewhat quickly, and you would have
to determine how you want to handle issues you are unable to resolve. However,
I have no qualms about charging or paying for one-on-one help…it’s called
“consulting”. In my early days I posted a couple questions and received
no responses – I could’ve just as easily been talking to my HP DeskJet while
printing “I hope that helps” messages to myself. Having an alternate,
fee-based help resource would have been a blessing. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>If I may enter the philosophical arena for a minute, I’m
amazed by the eQUEST users who will comfortably charge their clients thousands
of dollars for a model, using “free” software, but <i>expect</i> free
assistance and get up in arms when anyone brings up the idea of fee-based help
(or that it would be brought up on a forum created <i>for</i> eQUEST
help). There has been talk about helping for “the greater good of the
modeling community”, but I don’t find it to be intellectually honest.
Such a notion is predicated on an equal contribution from all participants, but
the reality is that there are far more help-seekers than help-providers, and
such will always be the case with voluntary forums. Quick questions that
can be answered in five minutes are not an issue, and the forum is wonderful
for that, but when it turns into me taking an hour or two to go through
someone’s model for free, while they get paid for my findings, is not inherently
good for me or the community. It has been done for me in the past, and I
have paid it forward. However, there are not enough active participants
to make this standard operating procedure. I also refute the notion that
having an alternate help source undermines the forum; the two are not mutually
exclusive. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>So, Carol, please put out your shingle. I might break
my model just for an excuse to call you.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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margin-left:.5in'>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:.5in'><img border=0 width=71 height=90 id="_x0000_i1027"
src="cid:image001.jpg@01CAFCEE.682BD700"><b>
DAKOTA KELLEY</b>
<b><o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>
Project Designer<o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'>
Office: 214-744-6199<o:p></o:p></p>
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Cell: 214-280-3825<o:p></o:p></p>
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Fax: 214-744-0770 <o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:.5in'><a href="http://www.teliospc.com/">http://www.teliospc.com</a>
3535 Travis St. Suite 115 <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><a href="mailto:dakotak@teliospc.com">dakotak@teliospc.com</a>
Dallas, TX 75204 <o:p></o:p></p>
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margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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margin-left:.5in'>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email is intended only for the
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margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> Carol Gardner [mailto:cmg750@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> eQUEST Users List<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Benville, Jim; ed.wall@ee.doe.gov<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] eQUEST Help Desk Funding<o:p></o:p></p>
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For the right amount of money, a dedicated land line, and a dedicated computer,
I will function as your dedicated Help Desk. Let me know who is interested in
funding me to be this resource. Let me know how much you think this resource is
worth. As you all know by now unless you've been sleeping, I am a self-employed
professional that takes time to answer your questions but must quit giving my
time away for free. <br clear=all>
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Carol Gardner PE<o:p></o:p></p>
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