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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=254052218-25052010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Pasha,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=254052218-25052010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I think you base fee assumptions are about
right. I can do a residential (single family) model for less than that if
I have a fairly close template model to start with.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=254052218-25052010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>But C&I is another class of modeling because of the
diversity, and I concur that you have to price those models based on size and
complexity.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=254052218-25052010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This is a good topic for our users group, and I am eager to
hear more opinions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=254052218-25052010><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Glenn</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Pasha
Korber-Gonzalez<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 24, 2010 10:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B> John
David Waller<BR><B>Cc:</B> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Equest-users] Energy Modeling Fees<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi John,</DIV>
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<DIV>I am soooo glad that you asked about this. I would be more than happy
to talk with you and the rest of our energy modeling community about how to
price energy models, how to calculate & justify fees for energy models,
etc.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is a VERY important discussion that needs to happen amongst this group
and amongst our colleagues regarding the true value of our services and the
value that clients are willing to pay for our services.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What do you want to know? What do you want to discuss? I
usually start with a couple of baseline factors that I use as targets when I put
together fees for the projects that I bid on; $/sq ft, $/hour, but as
everything is with energy models..."it depends."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Let's talk about this... we can talk online or feel free to email me
offline, or call me at 308-763-1593.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As a bottom line--I will offer that at a base fee to cover 40 hrs
worth of billable work for any type of energy model at an average cost estimate
of $100/hr which is a good average for most consulting companies billable
rates. Based on this very rarely should any energy model fee come in under
$4000 just based on the amount of work that needs to be done on even simple
models. Of course your overall price/cost/fees need to be based on a
specific scope of work for whatever the energy model will be used for.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>If there are others out there that have experience with energy model fees
please comment. My base rule of thumb is this; "if you give your
client a low fee the first time around, they will expect it everytime."
Once you charge low fees for your services you will not be able to raise them as
your customers will expect low fees everytime. Not only do
"low-ballers" hurt themselves but they hurt all of us in the
industry. All of us as simulators know the amount of time &
skill that it takes to learn how to use these programs and how to execute
projects successfully using these programs. If we are sending out low fees
for these services we are severly undervaluing our own work and giving our
clients the wrong impression. As the art of negotiation is something that
we work on everyday, it's better to always start with the fee that you want, and
then tailor, customize, negotiate to a fee that you & the client can
accept. Maybe they don't get as much work as they wanted, maybe you get a
bit more in your fee than the client planned to pay. Win-win for
all...when it all works out right. ;)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Pasha</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:14 AM, John David Waller <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:jwaller@email.arizona.edu">jwaller@email.arizona.edu</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Would anyone be willing to share what a 'fair market fee' for energy
modeling services might look like?</DIV>
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<DIV>I realize that there are many variables involved in defining the cost of
such services, i.e. level of detail, stage in the design process, size of the
project, etc... I am an eQUEST pleeb, and seek only to determine reasonable
rates for this service and ones that won't scare any potential clients
away.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks in advance.</DIV>
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