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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Alex Krickx <akrickx@seriousmaterials.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Nick Caton <ncaton@smithboucher.com>; eQUEST Users List <equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> "Gregory Sarkisian, P.E." <greg@sarkassoc.com>; Ray Yunk <yunk@ksu.edu><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, May 19, 2010 5:46:53 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Equest-users] Voodoo Engineering<BR></FONT><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If I can interject one point that hasn’t really been discussed: LEED is not just an energy tool. Forgive me if I get some of the categories wrong, but as far as I am aware there are credits for daylight provision, water savings and… exceeding the minimum outdoor requirements.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’m under the impression that even if Building A and B have the same energy consumption per SF (or whatever metric you’d like to compare them by) building A may provide users more fresh air, more outside views, uses less water and has xx% recycled materials.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I do believe that LEED needs some work, especially in regards to comparing operational energy consumption to designed energy consumption – My personal belief is to give a design rating that expires after a few years and that a building needs to PROVE that its operations are as efficient as the proposed design.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">And briefly: I’ll play devil’s advocate and say that a building should be able to use as much GREEN energy as long as it’s willing to pay for it. Sure, it’s poor practice to leave lights on overnight, but if those lights are wind-powered … well then there’s no carbon emissions and it’s just an expensive poor choice – not necessarily a climate-change inducing one.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Just because we are energy modelers doesn’t mean we should lose focus on the fact that a “green” building can have implications beyond just energy use.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">My 2¢. I thought I would share it as I’ve enjoyed reading others’ opinions on this very relevant topic.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">And FYI – I too am a young professional in the field fueled more by a passion and a willingness to learn than great experience.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Cheers,</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Nick Caton<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B> eQUEST Users List<BR><B>Cc:</B> Gregory Sarkisian, P.E.; Ray Yunk<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Equest-users] Voodoo Engineering</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I am merely a young EIT of 2 and some-odd years, but I and surely most other practicing MEP designer/modelers fully sympathize with your frustrations. ASHRAE/IESNA 90.1 (and through it, LEED) is certainly not yet a perfect standard… but the driving committees will be quick to point out nobody is saying it is (and may solicit you to volunteer/contribute to development). In any case, it’s what we must work under today... So we have to come to terms with the beast =)!</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">[ CAUTION: Skip this paragraph if you aren’t interested in 90.1 nuances – you’ll risk glazing your eyes over! ]</SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The core baseline/proposed issues you mention are agreeably arguable on a fundamental level! To pick up on your example, a glass box (well, up to 40% technically) certainly has more opportunity to demonstrate exemplary performance over its baseline than an opaque one under the current ruleset. I think however most elements of the current baseline/proposed system, including the flat 20% glazing alternative you propose, is a damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don’t situation for the standard developers… In my modeling experience (from an annual energy consumption/cost perspective): “optimal glazing percentages” are not always 0% (sometimes they are), and can vary a LOT building-to-building when daylighting controls enter the mix. <U>Site shading</U>, <U>building element self-shading</U>, <U>permanent/operable window shades</U>, and
<U>orientations</U> <B><I>of course</I></B> all play vital roles in determining a meaningful optimal window/wall ratio for any given space, but 90.1 Appendix G as written nullifies <B><I>each</I></B> of these variables in a somewhat heavy-handed fashion for the baseline model (sometimes the proposed also). I understand the purpose of these measures is generally to help us easily determine savings/losses based on a concept of “energy conscious building/site orientation” (which I’d argue is kind of silly in and of itself), but it’s simultaneously dumbing-down our comparative results (moving them further from reality). Removing self-shading/permanent shades for example can both hurt and help the baseline/proposed comparative performance – it’s inconsistent depending on the climate and building facade shape/orientation... I think these rules are built partly on the assumption that shades are always beneficial for annual energy
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To come back to the surface, I sleep at night by making one thing very clear to any owners/architects that care to listen (though I’ve learned some don’t want to hear it): LEED-certified buildings, even those with lots of energy modeling credits, do not inherently consume less energy or pay lower utility bills than un-certified buildings*. Comparative LEED energy models by design are not and should not be misconstrued by building owners as modeling reality. As John touches on and Carol is getting at: modeling “reality” before a building is built is guesswork at best, and is much harder and more complex than earning any LEED credits. Modeling “reality” post-construction and assuming historical bills/behaviors will repeat themselves in the future is also fundamentally guesswork – too much rides on the variability of actual
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Not to cheapen anyone’s credentials**, but when one fully understands that all energy modeling is to some small/large degree guesswork, it’s so much easier to grasp that, even at its most complex, <U>energy modeling is simply a tool to make decisions with</U>. In the right hands: a darn useful tool, even =)! </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">*If anyone isn’t following – I would consider the following article (notably dated) required reading for anyone practicing LEED energy modeling, if only for practical perspective:</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><A href="http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/mis2014leed2014ing/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/mis2014leed2014ing/</A></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">This is notably a sidebar to the following, also insightful & tongue-in-cheek article by the same author:</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It’s not hard to google and find similar studies – LEED buildings, even those earning high certification levels, can easily consume more energy than their un-certified modern counterparts.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">** I know, easy for me to say!</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gregory Sarkisian, P.E.<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 19, 2010 2:16 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'eQUEST Users List'; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Equest-users] Voodoo Engineering</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Rockwell; COLOR: black">For my two cents worth, all computer simulations are relative to something, not absolute. Energy baseline models are relative to actual utility bills. Anything within 5-10% is considered solid. All proposed models are relative to this good baseline. But as one of the replies mentioned this proposed model should always be verified in the real world.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Rockwell; COLOR: black">Same is true from my days in the auto industry. We create finite element models to predict low and high speed crash simulations. We had actual performance of previous production models to baseline from, but must always verify by actual test. You would be amazed at how close we could get. Once the model is correlated to the actual test results all variances built into the model can be deemed reliable.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Rockwell; COLOR: black">Building simulation models are much simpler, and in my mind very reliable – if the inputs are correct. I have not tried all of the different modeling tools, but eQuest provides a relatively friendly user-interface.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Carol Gardner [mailto:cmg750@gmail.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:42 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Eurek, John S NWO<BR><B>Cc:</B> eQUEST Users List; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Equest-users] Voodoo Engineering</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>John, you army guy you...<BR><BR>I suggest that you embrace the art part and get good at the science. Your model will be just as good as your input. Whats that old saw? When you point the finger you have 3 others pointing back at you. While some modeling tools might be close to beta and hard to use, eQUEST isn't one of them. Each new version has bugs, but those are relatively few and are fixed quickly. You use energy modeling to predict the energy use and energy cost of a baseline and proposed buildings. Here in Oregon we actually do follow-up and make sure the predicted came close to the actual. We call it model verification. I would recommend that you spend more time learning the art, gathering the info, creating an actual weather file if the typical one's aren't good enough for you, and very carefully inputting the data into your modeling tool of choice. I'd be happy to offer you peer review services if
you ever want to make sure your work is accurate.<BR><BR>Best,<BR>Carol<BR><BR>PS I resent the heck out of LEED paperwork and am afraid they are rulemaking creativity out of buildings. I've seen it happen over, and over, and over.....</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Eurek, John S NWO <<A href="mailto:John.S.Eurek@usace.army.mil" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:John.S.Eurek@usace.army.mil">John.S.Eurek@usace.army.mil</A>> wrote:</P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Varkie, I read your attached paper.<BR><BR>"Energy programs are external to the design process. The results are not used<BR>to generate construction drawings." This may be my #1 beef with energy<BR>modeling. What is the purpose?<BR><BR>If you say, to save energy... It does not.<BR><BR>I think of an artist who "wants" a glass box building. Then some intelligent<BR>people come along and explain that this design would waste energy. They<BR>convince him to have a smaller building with less glass. The change of design<BR>just saved a lot of energy..... Is this counted in the model? No.<BR><BR>Why do we compare our buildings to themselves? I can design a turd and<BR>polish it to LEED standards. Where are the points for having a well designed<BR>building over a poor design? The baseline should have 20% glass... Period.<BR>If I use 10% glass I am saving energy. Even better would be a
set BTU/Ft^2,<BR>you can do whatever you want as long as you meet the GPM like measure.<BR><BR>As an engineer, I think about the numbers a lot. With LEED (energy modeling)<BR>if I have very efficient equipment I can show more energy savings by<BR>increasing windows. (The more my model uses the equipment, the more the<BR>efficiency difference shows up.) Then I can play all day with people<BR>schedules, infiltration, and ect. (All I have to do is justify what I used.)<BR><BR><BR>I have been involved in only 4 buildings which required energy modeling. We<BR>used innovative new technologies. 3 of the building could not be modeled due<BR>to limitations of the energy modeling programming. (One design used the<BR>rejected heat from the heat pump for reheat instead of going into the loop<BR>field. The other I used a split system and placed the condensing unit in the<BR>mechanical room for free heat.)<BR><BR>Why are we being
made to follow LEED (energy modeling) when the tools to do<BR>it are so primitive. Some (Blankety blank blank *$%#!&$) is having us go<BR>someplace where the technology is not reached. (Beta testing sucks)<BR><BR>It feels like we are smoking unfiltered cigarettes, driving cars with no<BR>seatbelts, and painting with lead paint. People are going to look back at<BR>what we did and wonder how we couldn't see how dumb we were. I see it now.<BR><BR>There has got to be a better way. A better way to show we are saving energy.<BR>The sooner we find it, the better.<BR><BR>I found out last week that the person who's position I filled left because of<BR>LEED (energy modeling). I can't stand this obvious misguided attempt to save<BR>the world. As a person who values logic, every day suffering this ill-logic<BR>is torturous.<BR><BR>John Eurek<BR>LEEP AP<BR><BR>P.S. Eric the energy model IS a statistical analysis.
You assume a weather<BR>pattern, you assume a occupantacy schedule, you assume the activity level,<BR>you assume the amount the printer is used, the computer use, the number of<BR>times the elevator is used. You assume everything about a pretend senario<BR>and get a pretend number.<BR><BR>There must be a better way to prove an energy efficient design. (My company<BR>usually works late hours, most people do, are we to model this? We could, we<BR>could not, we can make up so much.) We need a solid baseline... Not<BR>statistical models.<BR><BR>P.P.S. It will all be smoke and mirrors until start looking at actual energy<BR>usage per square foot. If you want to use models to predict it, okay.<BR>Results matter, but not in LEED (energy modeling).<BR><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvCP3s7Xq48" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvCP3s7Xq48</A><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Varkie C Thomas [mailto:<A href="mailto:thomasv@iit.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:thomasv@iit.edu">thomasv@iit.edu</A>]<BR>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:08 AM<BR>To: Eurek, John S NWO<BR>Subject: Voodoo Engineering<BR><BR>Academia institutions and research centers tend to attach disproportionate<BR>amount of importance to energy modeling. Most them have not dealt with real<BR>buildings. Attached are my views on energy modeling.<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Eurek, John S NWO" <<A href="mailto:John.S.Eurek@usace.army.mil" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:John.S.Eurek@usace.army.mil">John.S.Eurek@usace.army.mil</A>><BR>Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:14 am<BR>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Compliance rule set for Oregon<BR><BR>><BR>> I would prefer Lynn work to ban/destroy/do-away-with energy modeling.<BR>><BR>> Any chance this voo-doo engineering will go away
any time soon?<BR>> It is only<BR>> statistical analysis with no meaningful/useful results for anyone.<BR>><BR>> As a community I think we are going in the wrong direction for the<BR>> rightgoals.<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A><BR>> [mailto:<A href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A>] On Behalf Of Carol<BR>> Gardner<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:30 AM<BR>> To: Scott Criswell<BR>> Cc: <A href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</A>;
<A href="mailto:curt.strobehn@eesinet.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:curt.strobehn@eesinet.com">curt.strobehn@eesinet.com</A><BR>> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Compliance rule set for Oregon<BR>><BR>> All,<BR>><BR>> Lynn Bellenger will soon be the first female president of<BR>> ASHRAE..ASHRAE is<BR>> 117 years young. Lynn's goal is to improve energy modeling. She is a<BR>> PE and a BEMP and a LEED AP. She has even more letters after her name<BR>> but you will have to ask her. She deserves every one of them. Lynn<BR>> rocks. If I was a betting woman, I would bet on Lynn to try to get<BR>> this done. You will see I have attempted to cc her on this. I have<BR>> also bcc'd her to make sure she gets the message.<BR>><BR>> A good night to all and to all a good night!<BR>><BR>> Carol<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Scott Criswell<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:scott.criswell@doe2.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:scott.criswell@doe2.com">scott.criswell@doe2.com</A>>wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> There is no work to my knowledge either proposed or under development<BR><BR>> that would result in 90.1-2004 or 2007 compliance analysis.<BR>><BR>> - Scott<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Paul Buchheit wrote:<BR>><BR>> Hello Scott,<BR>><BR>> Thanks for the help on this question.<BR>> Is there anything available now or in the works for ASHRAE<BR>> 90.1-2004 or 2007 compliance analysis?<BR>><BR>> Thanks again,<BR>><BR>>
Paul<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Paul Buchheit<BR>> Mechanical Engineer<BR>> EESI<BR>> phone: 541-754-1062<BR>> fax: 541-753-3948<BR>> <A href="mailto:paul.buchheit@eesinet.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:paul.buchheit@eesinet.com">paul.buchheit@eesinet.com</A><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: Scott Criswell <mailto:<A href="mailto:scott.criswell@doe2.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:scott.criswell@doe2.com">scott.criswell@doe2.com</A>><BR>><BR>> To: <A href="mailto:curt.strobehn@eesinet.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:curt.strobehn@eesinet.com">curt.strobehn@eesinet.com</A><BR>> Cc: <A href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</A><BR>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 2:41 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Compliance rule set for<BR>> Oregon<BR>><BR>> Correction on Carol's
response -<BR>> There is no "compliance analysis" ruleset for either<BR>> Oregon or 90.1-2004. What Carol was referring to in eQUEST v3.63 (and<BR>> later) is a jurisdiction-based defaulting mechanism within the<BR>> building<BR>> creationwizard(s) that includes Oregon-specific selections and<BR>> defaults (which are based on the Oregon energy code).<BR>><BR>> Compliance Analysis is quite a different feature.<BR>> The CA Title-24 compliance analysis feature enables users to press the<BR>> compliance analysis button in the interface (the button Curt pressed<BR>> which resulted in the message he circulated) to initiate a mechanism<BR>> that performs a complete, performance-based compliance analysis on the<BR>> proposed buildingdesign loaded into
eQUEST.<BR>> Two additional features are on the near horizon with<BR>> regards to compliance analysis in eQUEST -<BR>> (1) a LEED baseline generation ruleset which does not<BR><BR>> perform a complete LEED analysis but does generate a LEED (90.1-2007<BR>> Appendix-G) baseline model based on a user's proposed design.<BR>> This is<BR>> included in v3.64 which should be made available in the coming weeks<BR>> (pending CEC certification).<BR>> (2) compliance analysis based on Canada's MNECB<BR>> ruleset - to be included in a Canadian derivative of eQUEST, called<BR>> CAN-QUEST. Not sure of the exact release date for CAN-QUEST, but I<BR>> can tell you that users are training on it today @
the eSIM conference<BR>> in<BR>> Winnipeg.<BR>> There is nothing in the works to my knowledge in<BR>terms<BR>> of developing a compliance analysis capability for Oregon.<BR>><BR>> - Scott<BR>><BR>><BR>> Carol Gardner wrote:<BR>><BR>> Hi Curt.<BR>><BR>> The Oregon rule set is in VS 3.63. I helped<BR>> Scott put it there. When you select your city in Oregon you will see<BR>> the Oregon rules. In your email you say 90.1-2004. The Oregon<BR>> compliance rule set is probably
2004 I just don't have time to confirm<BR>> for sure.<BR>><BR>> Good Luck,<BR>> Carol<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Curtis<BR>> Strobehn <<A href="mailto:curt.strobehn@eesinet.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:curt.strobehn@eesinet.com">curt.strobehn@eesinet.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hello all,<BR>>
Need help.<BR>> Is there an ASHRAE 90.1-2004 rule set<BR><BR>> file that can be downloaded and used<BR>> for compliance<BR>> analysis.<BR>><BR>> See attachment<BR>><BR>> Thanks,<BR>><BR>>
Curt<BR>><BR>><BR>> EESI<BR>> phone: 541-754-1062<BR>> fax: 541-753-3948<BR>> <A href="mailto:Curt.strobehn@eesinet.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:Curt.strobehn@eesinet.com">Curt.strobehn@eesinet.com</A><BR>>
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