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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I want to thank everyone for their help. This is what I found
out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As Nick mentioned, I was allowing eQUEST to size my heating and
cooling equipment. I specified the CFM but not the capacity. I did this because
I have different building layouts with different window sizes. I went back into
my file and set the capacity for the heating and cooling equipment and then
rotated the building, I got results as I would expect. The summer cooling
energy consumption was greater for the south facing classrooms than the north
facing classrooms. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When working with LEED, has anyone “locked in” the
heating and cooling capacity before rotating the building? If not, they may run
into the same problem that I had. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Scott, I am using a modified version of eQUEST 3-63b. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks for everyone’s help!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Scott Criswell
[mailto:scott.criswell@doe2.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 17, 2010 7:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Otto Schwieterman<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nick Caton; Paul Riemer<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Building Orientation Accuracy?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Otto,<br>
<br>
One other thing I would recommend is that you upgrade to the v3.63<u><span
style='color:#CC0000'>b</span></u> release of eQUEST posted back on
7/3/09. The project files that you have circulated today were written
from the preceding version, v3.63, which is known to have a couple of
simulation bugs.<br>
The following is an excerpt of the eQUEST website page dealing with upgrading
from v3.63 to 3.63b:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:maroon'>Update
from 3.63 Release (<span class=grame>posting</span> date: 7/03/2009, ~2 MB):</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <a
href="http://doe2.com/download/equest/eQUEST_3-63b_Update.exe">Download an
3.63b update to the eQUEST version 3.63 full installation</a> This update can
only be used on a complete eQUEST 3.63 (build 6500) release dated 5/13/2009 or
later. We suggest that you download the update program to your hard drive
(select save after left clicking the link or right click on the link and
"save target as") rather than opening or running the installation
procedure from your browser.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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- Scott<br>
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Otto Schwieterman wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I want to thank everyone for their help.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> Originally, I created one north facing classroom and ran
the simulation, then I rotated it 180 degrees. The heating results were
acceptable but the cooling results were odd. The cooling consumption was greater
on the north facing orientation than the south facing orientation. The weather
file is Dayton Ohio so this does not make sense. I then tried to copy the
classroom and rotate one of the classrooms so I had a north facing and south
facing classroom. I did not realize that eQUEST changed some of the plenum and
interior wall values when I copied the original classroom.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am still trying to figure out why the north facing classroom
requires more cooling than when I rotate the building 180 degrees and essentially
have a south facing classroom. I would think that because of solar heat gain
the south facing classroom would require more cooling. I have attached a
simplified classroom (I did not copy so there should be no room for errors).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Caton [<a
href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 17, 2010 4:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Otto Schwieterman; Paul Riemer; <a
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Building Orientation Accuracy?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Otto,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I just looked at your revised files – you are still
modeling two seemingly fairly different classrooms. Note your
“North” classroom has adiabatic internal walls/ceiling and your
“South” classroom has heat transferring ones. I haven’t
scoured for other differences that may well be in there regarding schedule
assignments and such – I don’t know of a fast way to do so.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you’re truly concerned with eQuest’s ability to
correctly account for a varying azimuth and want to test it, you could make
your task easier by creating a square classroom with identical walls on each
side and observe identical results with 0,90,180,270 degree azimuths.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Otto Schwieterman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 17, 2010 3:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Riemer; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Building Orientation Accuracy?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I fixed the differences and now I
get the following results:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>North Facing: Space Cooling: 4.1
MBTU, Space Heating: 21.7 MBTU<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>South Facing: Space Cooling: 4.3
MBTU, Space Heating: 18.7 MBTU<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>When I change the orientation 180
degrees, the results are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>North Facing: Space Cooling: 3.8
MBTU, Space Heating: 22.6 MBTU<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>South Facing: Space Cooling: 3.6
MBTU, Space Heating: 17.8 MBTU<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>These also seem incorrect for the same reason.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Paul Riemer [<a
href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 17, 2010 3:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Otto Schwieterman; <a
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Building Orientation Accuracy?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Otto,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Your north and south have different inputs. I specifically
noted plenums temperature set points and plenum floor weight.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I suggest you clean it up and run it again.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Paul Riemer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dunham</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Otto Schwieterman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 17, 2010 2:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Building Orientation Accuracy?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I have noticed that eQUEST does not
accurately determine the cooling and heating loads when rotating the building
180 degrees using the Azimuth feature under the building properties in the
detailed edit mode. I created and attached a file where there are two
classrooms. One classroom faces north and one faces south. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>When I run the simulation I get the
following results: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>North Facing: Space Cooling: 4.1
MBTU, Space Heating: 21.9 MBTU<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>South Facing: Space Cooling: 4.3
MBTU, Space Heating: 18.9 MBTU<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>When I change the orientation 180
degrees, the results are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>North Facing: Space Cooling: 3.9
MBTU, Space Heating: 23.0 MBTU<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>South Facing: Space Cooling: 3.6
MBTU, Space Heating: 18.1 MBTU<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>When I rotate the site 180 degrees
the north and south facing energy consumption is different (they should be
exactly the same). Also, the space cooling does not make sense because the
building’s weather file is Dayton Ohio and the south facing classroom
should use more cooling than the north facing classroom.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>This makes me assume that eQUEST
has a problem with building rotation in the detailed edit mode. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Please check to see if I am
assuming this correctly because this will affect every LEED project.<o:p></o:p></p>
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