90.1P ECB Subcommittee can you provide us with some definition? Mike R? Jason? Help!<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Bishop, Bill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com">wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">So what’s the difference (other than
minimum efficiency) between a 230,000 Btu/h single package air conditioner in
Table 6.8.1A and a 230,000 Btu/h single package vertical air conditioner in
Table 6.8.1D?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I guess the SPVAC is installed on an
outside wall (per the definition in Section 3.2), but I don’t see where
units in Table 6.8.1A are necessarily rooftop units per the Table G3.1.1B
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Demba Ndiaye<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Pasha Korber-Gonzalez; Cam
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users]
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You indeed have to
use Table 6.8.1A. The units in Table D are for the terminal units (they are
normally un-ducted, in direct contact with the space they serve).</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Demba NDIAYE</span></font></p>
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<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Pasha Korber-Gonzalez<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:58
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Cam Fitzgerald<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I'm curious to where you found the reference for a "single
package" sub-category and how it is pointing to table A to be used for
performance factors of packaged equipment as opposed to table D which is specific
to packaged a/c units. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I looked back through 90.1 and can't find any notes or guidance to
follow your recommendation to point me to table 6.8.1A. Can you please
provide more specific reference to where you are getting this info from
Appendix G? This could be a significant thing for the rest of us to
learn and for me to correct if I have missed the info you are refering to.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks for your help on this.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Cam Fitzgerald <<a href="mailto:cam@energyopportunities.com" target="_blank">cam@energyopportunities.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For system type 5 you should be using sub-category “single
package” with the appropriate heating section type from Table
6.8.1A. Table 6.8.1D applies to system types 1 and 2, small packaged terminal
units.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hope this helps. Have a great day!</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cam</span></font><font color="#1f497d"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> S. Fitzgerald, PE, LEED AP</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="green" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: green;">Energy Opportunities, LLC</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="green" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: green;">a 7group company</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">e-mail: <a href="mailto:fitzgerald@sevengroup.com" title="mailto:fitzgerald@sevengroup.com" target="_blank">fitzgerald@sevengroup.com</a></span></font></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Pasha Korber-Gonzalez<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:30
AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Ömer Moltay<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I would use
6.8.1D. Just because you are looking at a COP value doesn't mean that it
wasn't originally an EER or SEER value, you might want to back out the EER
value from your equivalent COP and see if you can reference it from the 6.8.1D
table for Packaged equipment performance.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">2010/5/4 Ömer
Moltay <<a href="mailto:omoltay@mimtarch.com" target="_blank">omoltay@mimtarch.com</a>></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">What would you
choose as the minimum efficiency for baseline modelling for the DX cooling (923
kW) of System Type 5 from Appendix G (Packaged rooftop VAV with reheat)? I am
looking at a model previously done by someone else and the COP has been chose
as 2.96, which could mean that they have used Table 6.8.1A - Condensing units,
air cooled. But I am not sure if this should be correct.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Thanks,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Ömer Moltay, LEED
AP<br>
Mimta Ltd.<br>
Hekimsuyu Cad. 559. Sk.
No:39<br>
34255 Kucukkoy Istanbul Turkey<br>
Tel: 90-212-617-2296<br>
Fax: 90-212-617-2297<br>
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newbie and had 2 small queries which hopefully would be answered.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">01. What's the
logic behind eQuest giving positive (+ve) Cooling Loads & (-ve) negative
Heating Loads. (I made an Admittance Method Algorithm & it gives me the
opposite values, eQuest i.e. negative cooling loads & +ve heating loads,
have checked all sign convention...can't figure out why? My algorithm simulates
for Delhi's (India) climate predominantly,
cooling loads.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">02. I have asked
this before...is there any library for data of alternating solar gain factors,
especially for Delhi, India. (As far as i believe
it does'nt take into account the alternating solar gain factor...) </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">hope these get
resolved soon, thanks in advance.</span></font></p>
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