<p>I agree with Bill, he stated better than I could when he said, "<font color="#000080">I don’t see where units in Table 6.8.1A are necessarily rooftop units per the Table G3.1.1B requirement."</font></p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Bishop, Bill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com">wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 04, 2010 3:07 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Pasha Korber-Gonzalez; Cam Fitzgerald
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:58 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Cam Fitzgerald<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I looked back through 90.1 and can't find any notes or guidance to follow your recommendation to point me to table 6.8.1A. Can you please provide more specific reference to where you are getting this info from Appendix G? This could be a significant thing for the rest of us to learn and for me to correct if I have missed the info you are refering to.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Cam Fitzgerald <<a href="mailto:cam@energyopportunities.com" target="_blank">cam@energyopportunities.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Times New Roman"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">For system type 5 you should be using sub-category “single package” with the appropriate heating section type from Table 6.8.1A. Table 6.8.1D applies to system types 1 and 2, small packaged terminal units.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" size="2" face="Times New Roman"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hope this helps. Have a great day!</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:30 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Ömer Moltay<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2010/5/4 Ömer Moltay <<a href="mailto:omoltay@mimtarch.com" target="_blank">omoltay@mimtarch.com</a>></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What would you choose as the minimum efficiency for baseline modelling for the DX cooling (923 kW) of System Type 5 from Appendix G (Packaged rooftop VAV with reheat)? I am looking at a model previously done by someone else and the COP has been chose as 2.96, which could mean that they have used Table 6.8.1A - Condensing units, air cooled. But I am not sure if this should be correct.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">01. What's the logic behind eQuest giving positive (+ve) Cooling Loads & (-ve) negative Heating Loads. (I made an Admittance Method Algorithm & it gives me the opposite values, eQuest i.e. negative cooling loads & +ve heating loads, have checked all sign convention...can't figure out why? My algorithm simulates for Delhi's (India) climate predominantly, cooling loads.</span></font></p>
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