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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks to everybody for the interest
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Chilled water supply to the beams
is 56F. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’ve attached my inp and
pd2 files in case anybody wants a closer look. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Bruce Easterbrook
[mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 09, 2010 2:24 PM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Active Chilled Beam/Fan Coil System<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Maybe you are now running into what eQuest uses to prevent
condensation on the chilled beam coil. Condensation would be allowed in
the FCU as it could/would have a drain tray. Where the mixing takes place
is important on the chilled beam. eQuest should consider the mixing takes
place after the coil and the warm humid air is entering the coil. I would
think eQuest would be set up to prevent condensation on the coil, you don't
want water dripping out of the unit. What is the temperature of your
chilled water supply?<br>
Bruce<br>
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On 09/04/2010 04:32 PM, Greg Collins wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I have tried it, but I end up
getting an error saying the leaving air temp off the coil needs to be at least
6F higher than the entering water temp to the coil, and for some reason I
don’t get the same error for the FCU. In an active chilled beam,
the coil is actually just cooling the room induction air, then mixing it with
the primary air from the DOAS. I think that equest assumes the air mixes
before entering the coil, which fundamentally is the same thing, but the
numbers trip this error message. I’ll look into more why the FC
system doesn’t make that happen, but the two seem to be essentially the
same system except for the fan (which I make 0.000001 kW/cfm anyway).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 09, 2010 1:00 PM<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Have you looked into SYSTEM TYPE = IU (Induction Unit).
This may be a better path to try.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Greg Collins [<a href="mailto:GCollins@glumac.com">mailto:GCollins@glumac.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 09, 2010 2:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bruce Easterbrook<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Active Chilled Beam/Fan Coil System</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Bruce,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I agree with your theory and the
justification, but the question is ultimately “how to model
it?” I don’t think you can put in negative heat for a
baseboard system, hook it up to a chilled water loop and get results you can
count on. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Bruce Easterbrook [<a
href="mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca">mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 09, 2010 8:59 AM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Active Chilled Beam/Fan Coil System</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> I'm not totally up on using DOAS with
eQuest or with chilled beams being in Canada but it would seem to me the OA
will have to be used to control humidity in the space. The chilled beam
should not be used for latent cooling, sensible only, to prevent condensation
issues. The DOAS will need to control the dewpoint of the room air and
maintain it below the operating temperature of the coil in the chilled
beam. The chilled beam would only be dealing with the sensible load from
the space. The DOAS would do everything else. The question would be
will eQuest allow a single zone AHU c/w economizer and a baseboard system with
negative heat? I have never tried that with eQuest.<br>
Bruce Easterbrook<br>
Abode Engineering<br>
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On 08/04/2010 04:46 PM, James Hansen wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’m interested in this as
well – I know that in DOAS systems like active chilled beams, the primary
air often takes on a fairly large chunk of space latent cooling, and if this
can’t be passed on from the DOAS system to the space, then I don’t
see how we can believe the results.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Active Chilled Beam/Fan Coil System</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I’m working on modeling an active chilled beam
system. It consists of the chilled beams and a dedicated unit to provide
primary air (mainly ventilation air) to the beams at 55 degrees.
I’ve modeled the chilled beam system as a fan coil system, but am
wondering about my options for modeling the primary air. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>My question is this: If I attach the
primary/ventilation air unit to the fan coil system in the FC’s Outdoor
Air tab under “Outside Air from System” will the temperature of the
air coming from that unit have an impact on the load in the space? I have
a ton of hours at very low load during the winter months, and I want eQuest to
use the 55 degree primary air as the first stage of cooling for the space and
not “double up” the cooling energy by cooling the 55 degree air and
then not use that for cooling in the zones.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>If anybody has some input, it would be appreciated. <o:p></o:p></p>
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