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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Good advice was given below. To further clarify:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>A packaged single-zone system can have more than one conditioned
zone, but only one of those zones can be designated as the “control zone”.
The control zone determines the operation of the HVAC system, both airflow
and/or heating/cooling supply temperature. Any conditioned zones in that system
that are not the control zone (a “subzone” in this discussion) simply
get the air and temperature as determined by the control zone. As a result, a
subzone may not necessarily be comfortable if it has a load profile
significantly different from the control zone (for example, a north facing zone
on the same system as a south-facing zone).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ignoring subzone reheat for a moment, a subzone does not need heating/cooling
thermostat schedules. If you specify one, it will simply be used to count hours
as underheated/undercooled in the SS-F, BEPS, and BEPU reports. In these
reports, a zone is underheated/undercooled if it is more than 1F beyond the thermostat
throttling range. For example, if the heating/cooling setpoints are 70/75, the
throttling range is 0.5F (throttling range is centered about the setpoint),
then the heating/cooling trigger temperatures for these reports are 68.75F and
76.25F (half the throttling range plus 1F).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you don’t want the subzone underheating/undercooling to
be counted in these reports, don’t specify thermostat schedules for the
subzones. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Alternatively, if you want to know if subzones are severely out
of range, specify the thermostat schedules for these zones with a higher
cooling setpoint and/or lower heating setpoint than the control zone. Or, use
the same thermostat schedules as the control zone, but specify a larger
throttling range in the subzones. For example, a subzone throttling range of 6F
would result in trigger temperatures of 66F and 79F in the above example.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Note that if a subzone has a reheat coil, then it is necessary
to specify a heating thermostat schedule in the subzone to control the coil.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Steve Gates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>eQUEST development team<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carol
Gardner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bishop, Bill<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] FW: [Bldg-sim] Discomfort hrs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>What Bill says is true, you are
to only have one system per HVAC zone. I have never taken that to mean,
however, that you might not have multiple spaces/rooms on one zone nor have I
received that feedback from the developers. True, eQUEST insists on providing a
zone name for each specified space, but you can gather the spaces/zones in each
HVAC zone and cause them to be served by one PSZ or other system. Then you have
to determine what your control zone is. After you have done that you go into
your zone spreadsheet and put your heating temp schedules and cooling temp
schedules in your control zone, which is where your thermostat is, and say they
are undefined in the other zones. This should take care of the discomfort hours
provided you carefully selected your control zone. This should not cause the
other spaces to have inadequate heating or cooling since the control zone, as I
understand it, has the highest loads of all the spaces and if it's satisfied
the other spaces are satisfied.<br>
<br>
That is my understanding, anyway, and I will accept any/all feedback.
Especially from a BEMP!!<br>
<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Bishop, Bill <<a
href="mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com">wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Sambhav,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Are you
modeling the baseline according to Appendix G? If so, and you are using PSZ,
you should have one system per zone. If you are already modeling one system per
zone you should not be getting high unmet hours if you let eQUEST do the
autosizing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>If you are
trying to model a PSZ with multiple zones assigned to it, you can do a few
things to reduce the unmet hours. As Carol and Rob suggest, you can remove the
heating and cooling schedules to unconditioned zones. You should not do this
for conditioned zones (zones that you want to keep within a certain temperature
range) because you will be letting the temperatures float. Your unmet hours
will go away but the virtual people in those zones will be calling their
virtual landlords complaining about being too hot or too cold.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>To reduce
unmet hours when multiple zones are assigned to a PSZ, try the following:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>1.)</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>change the control zone (try assigning to the zone with most unmet
hours first)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>2.)</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>increase/decrease people/lighting/misc loads in the trouble zones
(and copy the values to the proposed model to keep them identical)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>3.)</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>change some interior walls to “air walls” (and copy
into the proposed model)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>4.)</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>increase the supply air flow rate to individual zones, especially
if they are undercooled</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Bill</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carol Gardner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rob Hudson<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Discomfort hrs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Yes.
Only put the heating temp schedules and cooling temp schedules in the zone you
have selected as the Control Zone. If you use the Spreadsheet option you will
be able to do this easily. Use the drop down menu and select Undefined for all
other zones. <br>
<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Rob Hudson <<a href="mailto:rdh4176@gmail.com"
target="_blank">rdh4176@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If
there are more than one zone assigned to the PZS, then remove the thermostats
to the extra zones. This happened to me when i attached an unconditioned
plenum space to a PZS space.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Vikram Sami <<a href="mailto:vssami@yahoo.com"
target="_blank">vssami@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Have
you tried cycling your fans? If you'r doing this for ASHRAE compliance you
need to do this anyway. <br>
<br>
--- On <b>Tue, 4/6/10, sambhav tiwari <i><<a
href="mailto:tiwari.sambhav@gmail.com" target="_blank">tiwari.sambhav@gmail.com</a>></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>
From: sambhav tiwari <<a href="mailto:tiwari.sambhav@gmail.com"
target="_blank">tiwari.sambhav@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Bldg-sim] Discomfort hrs<br>
To: <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 2:33 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi
All,<br>
In one of project my
basline building was having packaged syngle zone system but after running i
am getting lot of unmet hours for PSZ system for each zone almost 450 hrs for
basline.<br>
<br>
Can any suggest some solution.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Sambhav.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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