Richard,<br><br>I wouldn't use the word essential. When you create a shell in the wizard you have the option of calling out the roof, walls, and floor. Within your wizard shell you cannot split the top of it to be half roof/half exposed to another floor. They ways around that are to use 2 shells, one with the with another floor above it and one with a roof above it, or call it all roof and edit it appropriately when you are in the detailed data edit. While you are doing this keep in mind and schedule/usage differences you will have as well as your mechanical zones.<br>
<br>Hope that helps,<br>Carol<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Richard Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Richard.Williams@arup.com">Richard.Williams@arup.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks Carol and Steve,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Is it essential to create different shells for each exposure
combination, or just a good idea? I’m worried about ending up with many dozens
of zones. If it is only optional, how else can I get eQuest to distinguish
between internal and external adjacencies? Can it be done within the
overlapping shells, using zones maybe? The attached sketch may help to explain
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks again.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Yes to what Steve said too. As
you input your polygons check really closely that your spaces don't overlap and
that you selected the right command for your floors, e;g; on the ground vs
exposed to ambient, as well as your roofs. Specifying your sight coordinates
for each shell from the get go seems to give you control, too. When space walls
are off by even .05 is when you get surprised by an exterior wall where you
were sure you specified an interior one. I have been anal enough to retype my
vertices just to be sure since I'm pretty convinced you can be off by a bit when
you just click on one.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Carol Gardner <<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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I would make a shell for each different exposure. For instance where your
building is exposed to ground versus air, where your building is exposed to air
versus another floor, where it is exposed to a roof versus air. I would also
take into consideration thermal zoning. Minimizing zones is good but using them
to make your life easier is too.<br>
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Carol<br>
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PS if you sent two exposures we could probably say more.</p>
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am trying to understand how best to minimise use of shells. I am trying to
model a building which has jagged shaped floors which overlap and cantilever
all over the place. The attached sketch is a simplified section of the building
showing how the floors change up the building. I’ve reached the
conclusion that, although it is undesirable to have many shells, I will need a
shell for each floor. Additionally, for floors broken into several separate
blocks (eg level 1 on the attached) I will need a shell for each block. Please
let me know if I am missing something?!</p>
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