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<DIV>Thanks for your replies.</DIV>
<DIV>It helps us a lot.</DIV>
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<DIV>On the model that we're working on,</DIV>
<DIV>We already did what everyone suggested.</DIV>
<DIV>We modeled the canopy as fixed shading.</DIV>
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<DIV>To double check if the model is running as what we're expecting based on cooling load fundamentals,</DIV>
<DIV>We modeled full opaque canopy (0 transmittance) and 1.0 transmittance for comparison purposes only.</DIV>
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<DIV>After running the model, we had weird results:</DIV>
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<DIV>0 transmittance</DIV>
<DIV>Chilled Water - 104.05 MBTU</DIV>
<DIV>Space Heating - 74.8 kwh (X000)</DIV>
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<DIV>1.0 transmittance</DIV>
<DIV>Chilled Water - 109.9 MBTU</DIV>
<DIV>Space Heating - 96.2 kwh (X000)</DIV>
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<DIV>Am I modeling it wrong?</DIV>
<DIV>Am I missing something?</DIV>
<DIV>Are we having the same results especially with the heating consumption?</DIV>
<DIV>What are the areas that I should check first before concluding?</DIV>
<DIV>Note that we modeled the systems for both as AUTOSIZING.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for your assistance.</DIV>
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<DIV>Reniel</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "Shinn, Kim" <kim.shinn@tlc-eng.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Nick Caton <ncaton@smithboucher.com>; Dakota Kelley <dakotak@teliospc.com>; reniel barroso <renielbarroso@yahoo.com>; "equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" <equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February 17, 2010 21:44:23<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [Equest-users] Above Roof Canopy Modeling<BR></FONT><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">App G allows you to take advantage of shading – so, remove shading from your 90.1 baseline.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">You can assign schedules, transparency and reflectance to shades. If you want to model the effect of deciduous trees planted near the building, for instance, you can use a schedule to have greater transparency in the winter (for passive solar heating) and less transparency in the summer for shading.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">This is good to know as I have a situation where it would probably be less work to explore some specific overhang/fin options within my complex eQuest model vs. trying to build a separate model through my more usual daylight analysis workflows.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Bonus points for your response being 10x more clear than my question =)!</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Shinn, Kim<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:03 AM<BR><B>To:</B> reniel barroso; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Equest-users] Above Roof Canopy Modeling</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">What you need is an exterior shade.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">In detailed edit mode, go to Building Shell and select Fixed Shades (or a Building Shade, depending on whether you want the shade to be attached to the building – as it rotates, for instance). A fixed shade remains fixed in space. This is a good way to model adjacent buildings.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> reniel barroso [mailto:renielbarroso@yahoo.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:22 AM<BR><B>To:</B> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Equest-users] Above Roof Canopy Modeling</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Can we model its effect on the cooling load of spaces facing the courtyard?</SPAN></P></DIV>
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