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<p class=MsoNormal>Maria, John, Fareed et al:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0070C0'><a
href="http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-007-prioritizing-green2014it-s-the-energy-stupid">http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-007-prioritizing-green2014it-s-the-energy-stupid</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>These guys have a good bit of interesting reading – recommend
bookmarking this link if you also have the capacity to be entertained/chuckling
with this kind of thing =). As I read this call for reason/logic, I recalled this
article they put out (linked above) that pretty well spells out the logic to a
layman behind “less glass > better glass.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>That article above is probably worth your time and your
architects’ to read over to get the point across. If/when they want you to
drive it home, I’d suggest simply building your site-specific 2/3 story
building model and running it once with something like 30% glazing (with a picture
so they can visually see that’s a lot of glass), and again with 100% storefront
glass box and let their eyes bug at the energy cost differences.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Impact of overhangs for a “typical building” is something
you’ll have trouble finding an answer to, as it’s obviously quite site and
orientation specific. Again I’d suggest running two models and observing the
differences with/without the overhangs in question. eQuest is one of many
tools appropriate to the task-at-hand.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>~Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Maria
Kordjamshidi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 07, 2010 6:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> BldgSim Mailing List; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org;
trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org; Fareed Syed; John Aulbach<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Impact of Overhangs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#007F40'>John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='color:#007F40'>Free running: </span></em><span
style='color:#007F40'>refers to the state of a building that is naturally
ventilated and does not use any mechanical equipment to maintain or improve
its indoor thermal condition.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#007F40'>Maria</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Sat, 2/6/10, John Aulbach <i><jra_sac@yahoo.com></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: John Aulbach <jra_sac@yahoo.com><br>
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Impact of Overhangs<br>
To: "Maria Kordjamshidi" <m_kordjamshidi@yahoo.com>,
"BldgSim Mailing List" <bldg-sim@onebuilding.org>,
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org, trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org,
"Fareed Syed" <syedf@progressiveae.com><br>
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 8:29 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Maria:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Excellent information.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Would you please describe what you mean by "free
running mode"?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Maria
Kordjamshidi <m_kordjamshidi@yahoo.com><br>
<b>To:</b> BldgSim Mailing List <bldg-sim@onebuilding.org>;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org; trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org; Fareed
Syed <syedf@progressiveae.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Fri, February 5, 2010 9:47:04 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Impact of Overhangs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00007F'>Fareed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00007F'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00007F'>I have examined the effect
of many parameters on the thermal performance of 6 typical houses (single
storey and double storey houses) for a moderate climate of Sydney. a part
of my report comes in the following for your consideration.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00007F'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#00007F'>"Adding an
overhang above all windows improved annual thermal performance of the
typical houses in conditioned mode. However, this was not the case for the
houses in free running mode. The houses presented different patterns of
annual thermal performance in the different modes, responding to increments
in overhang width.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph;
line-height:150%'><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#00007F'>Increases in
overhang width of 1m resulted in an average of 4.8% enhancement in the
house’s annual thermal performance in conditioned mode. The same overhang
generally caused 3.7% deterioration in annual free running performance,
while a slight improvement was observed in thermal performance in some
cases. The reason for these different results is made clear when
comparing the seasonal performances of each house in two different house
modes.</span><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph;
line-height:150%'><span lang=EN-AU style='color:#00007F'>When all the
overhang widths were increased to 1m, the summer performance improved by an
average of 26.6% in conditioned mode. The improvement decreased to an
average of 8% for all houses in free running mode. The winter performance
of the typical houses in this situation deteriorated by an average of 8.2%
in conditioned mode and 11.7% in the free running mode. Thus the
deterioration that was observed in the annual free running performance of
some of the houses in response to the setting of overhang with a width of
1m for all windows would appear to owe more to deterioration in their
winter performance and less improvement in their summer performance in free
running mode than in conditioned mode."</span><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=EN-AU style='color:#00007F'> </span><span lang=EN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00007F'>Hope this help</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00007F'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00007F'>Maria</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Sat, 2/6/10, Fareed Syed <i><syedf@progressiveae.com></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Fareed Syed <syedf@progressiveae.com><br>
Subject: [Bldg-sim] Impact of Overhangs<br>
To: "BldgSim Mailing List" <bldg-sim@onebuilding.org>,
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org, trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:22 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>Folks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>Does
anyone have good research data using simulations on the impact of overhangs
and shadings for a typical building?</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'> </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>I
am having hard time convincing architects to reduce the glazing. They will
make it a glass building if they are given a chance.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'> </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>I
want to show them that for a 2 or 3 storied building with ton of glazing
and few feet of overhang will not help the cooling/heating loads at all.</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'> </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>I
would appreciate your input.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'> </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>Thanks
much.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'> </span>
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auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'> </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'>Fareed
Syed EIT, LEED</span><sup><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>®</span></sup><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"'> AP</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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