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class=700471114-27012010>Hello walt,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=700471114-27012010>Could you tell how did you change the footprint to one
zone per floor or send me a picture showing it? My model is also outside
of the throttling range and I'm trying to change it. I don't find where the
option is.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=700471114-27012010>Thanks a lot</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>De:</B> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>En nombre de </B>Walt
Henry<BR><B>Enviado el:</B> martes, 26 de enero de 2010 22:19<BR><B>Para:</B>
Daniel Bersohn; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Asunto:</B> Re:
[Equest-users] Throttling Range and Pipe Insulation<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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Daniel,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for your
responses to my requests.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I did find
the zone that was under heated in the reports. This building has three
zones and the basement was the under heated zone. I changed the footprint
to one zone per floor in lieu of perimeter/core and dropped the percentage from
34.1 to 0.9 so I am content with that since this is an existing system the we
can’t change. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2) I
found the location of the losses tab in the water loop and see how the UA can be
changed so that should solve the pipe insulation savings dilemma. I can’t
fully agree with you regarding the need to insulate steam piping. Although
the pipe does heat the zone it is in the process of condensation in the piping
degrades the quality of the steam reaching the distributors, radiators in this
case. This is a church and the piping to be insulated is basically 400’ of
4”, 120’ of 2” and 100’ of 1”. The function of the piping is to deliver
good quality steam to the radiators and without insulation on long runs, even if
they are in a heated zone takes away steam quality from the zone above and the
radiators in the zone where the pipe is located.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks
again!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Daniel
Bersohn [mailto:Daniel.Bersohn@BuroHappold.com] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:09
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Walt Henry;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [Equest-users] <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Throttling</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Range</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> and Pipe
Insulation</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Helvetica 55 Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica 55 Roman'">Walt,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica 55 Roman'">This
means that you have a zone that’s not getting heating or cooling when it wants
it. 34.1% probably means there’s an issue with your system topology or
your system really has unmet load hours in real life. If you have one
thermostat and lots of rooms with different internal loads and exposures you’re
guaranteed to get a lot of unmet load hours. The plant having zero unmet
load hours means the plant is satisfying all the requests its getting from
equipment that serves zones. So the zones aren’t getting what they want
from AHUs, radiators, etc. but the plant is doing everything AHUs, radiators
etc. want it to.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica 55 Roman'">Any
piping downstream of a steam control valve in a two-pipe system in the same
space served by the radiator doesn’t need insulation because it’s acting as a
radiator. In a one-pipe system,0 if you have TRVs on the air vents, any
pipe that only serves one radiator and is in the same space as that radiator
need not be insulated since it serves as a radiator. If you don’t have
TRVs on your air vents in a one pipe system (or in place of the control valves
on two-pipe for that matter) the insulation probably doesn’t matter that much
since all the radiators deliver heat (and too much of it at that) at the same
time as all the uninsulated pipe. For the remaining pipe you’d estimate
the surface area of the piping to be insulated and multiply the U factor of the
insulation by the surface area of the pipe. Put that into the hot water
loop you’re using as an analog for your steam system in detailed
mode. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Walt
Henry [mailto:WHenry@thielsch.com] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:55
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Equest-users] <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Throttling</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Range</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> and Pipe
Insulation</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Good morning eQUEST
users,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have two
requests:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What is the definition of
“throttling range”? I have always had 0 until my last project which is a
Police Station. We do mostly energy retrofits and the existing boiler, 37
years old, has an input of 450 MBH. The total HVAC load is 222.651 MBH per
eQUEST. For the first time Report BEPU shows my base case model to be
34.1% outside of the throttling range. What does this mean? The % of
hours any plant load is not satisfied is 0.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have a church to model, starting
this morning, which has no insulation on the steam piping and we want to
determine the savings by putting 1” of
fiberglass
on the pipes. Usually we would determine the savings in e-plus but is
there any way to model this in eQUEST? There are other measures and it
would be convenient to have everything in one
report.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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Henry<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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Specialist<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">RISE
Engineering<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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