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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:40:38 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Curt,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">First, as you’ve hopefully gathered, you have already
found the “tech support” department for eQuest (at least in my
eyes): the [Equest-users] and [Bldg-sim] mailing lists hosted at
<a href="http://onebuilding.org" target="_blank">onebuilding.org</a>. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let me summarize and add to some of the key advice (which I
fully agree with) that’s been posted so far. This advice is general
and should be considered well by any eQuest beginner:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><u>Hard truth</u>: You <u>should not be expected</u>
to become fully proficient with a program as expansive and powerful as eQuest
within a week. Anyone believing this (yourself included) needs a reality
check. If that is truly a hard deadline and the modeling must be done
with eQuest, you are best advised to find a local mentor (i.e. do not solo
this) and/or compensate another energy modeling consultant to get the work done
on time (and walk you through the model so that you can manipulate and ask
questions). Alternatively, use a program you’re more familiar with.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span>a.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><u>Soft
truth</u>: Truly lucky is the individual who gets to learn energy modeling
software outside of a hard deadline with a simple building (students pay
attention!). To that end, as a group we’re generally sympathetic to
the “trial-by-fire” situation that a lot of us went through.
Take care not to let your emotions get in the way of learning/help.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span>b.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span>Design
engineers/consultants such as yourself will inevitably spend long hours at
first making less accurate models, but as you invest the hours learning the ins
and outs can look forward to more accurate models produced at a much quicker
pace. </p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span>c.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span>In
a literal sense, the statement that learning to model building will take years
is an understatement. Anybody who tells you they know all there is to
know is lying through their teeth. The most intelligent modelers never
stop learning. <u>That said</u>, it is not unrealistic to produce your
first model in a week, understanding and accepting it will not be the most
accurate model you will ever build.</p>
<p><span>2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span>Your primary source for any question regarding the
operation of eQuest/DOE2 should start by right clicking the field in question
and pulling up the appropriate help file. You can also search from there.</p>
<p><span>3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span>Your secondary source for any question regarding eQuest,
or items in the help files you need a layman’s explanation of, should be
to search the mailing list archives. Odds are a majority of the questions
you’ll have have already been asked/answered (BOOKMARK/FAVORITE THESE):</p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span>a.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/</a></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span>b.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/equest-users-onebuilding.org/" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/equest-users-onebuilding.org/</a></p>
<p><span>4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span>A tertiary source is to google a specific topic that
hasn’t come up. It’s a big internet out there.</p>
<p><span>5.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span>It’s apparent from the tone of your email that you’ve
got to take a chill pill =)! It’s understandable to be unimpressed
with the “lack of technical support,” but only to the extent that
you weren’t previously aware of the huge international body of scientists/engineers/designers/practicers
of building energy modeling here at these mailing lists. I’ll
venture there is a lot more to be learned here than at any 1-800 tech support
number for any modeling package out there.</p>
<p><span>6.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span>Remember – in a support forum like this, where
the majority of helpful responders are doing so of their own good-will (it’s
not our job), a few key things apply that normally don’t with a “tech
support” line:</p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span>a.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span>The
most detailed & informative answers consistently come from detailed
& informative questions. </p>
<p style="margin-left:1.5in"><span><span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span>i.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span>I believe a majority of unanswered queries are due to
questions not being completely posed. Always explain what you have tried,
what hasn’t worked, what clues you have etc. to the best of your ability.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1.5in"><span><span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span>ii.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span>There’s a sizeable academic crowd subscribed to
these lists that may not be inclined to respond if it’s apparent you
haven’t looked up the basics for the topic-at-hand.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span>b.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span>Pay
it forward =). The best learning comes from teaching/sharing knowledge
with others, and individuals you help out are more likely to return the favor! </p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span>c.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span>Politeness
is a rule, not an option.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span>d.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span>Good
grammar (at least for a native English speaker) is a rule, not an option.
It will become apparent if it hasn’t already that this is an
international body of subscribers with knowledgeable professionals that simply won’t
waste their time trying to decipher poorly written inquiries. Proof your
questions/responses.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This isn’t all specific to your situation Curt, but I’ve
been wanting to write this up for a while so that I can refer others to some of
this basic info. Best of luck, and I hope we’ll all see more of you
here!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">~Nick</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#2D4D5E"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#2D4D5E">NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#2D4D5E"></span></b></p>
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<p>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Kevin Kyte<br>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:08 PM<br>
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Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message</p>
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<p>Learning how to do computer simulations for buildings
from scratch without a mentor will take years.</p>
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<p>From: Chris Wark [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwark@rumseyengineers.com" target="_blank">cwark@rumseyengineers.com</a>]</p>
<p>Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:31 PM</p>
<p>To:; '<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>'</p>
<p>Subject: </p>
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<p>Curt,</p>
<p>Welcome to the world of FREE software. Energy, airflow,
and design software packages with an actual market value usually do come with
more extensive training material, but in this case, the fastest way to learn
eQUEST is to look at as much of the built-in help as possible by right clicking
on any input field. In fact, the built-in help documents are rather extensive
for FREE software (perhaps because it was developed through government and
utility grants). Beyond the help documents, the only way to learn common
work-arounds is through users forums. I have found that users are pretty
responsive on this one.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Curtis
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<p>Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:18 AM</p>
<p>To: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></p>
<p>Subject: [Equest-users] Urgent Message</p>
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<p>I am under a dead line and I'm have trouble with Equest</p>
<p>IS there any training DVD videos of any kind for Equest?</p>
<p>If there where training Video's at one time there should
be a back copy or</p>
<p>some other source?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I'm sure there has to be a video somewhere!</p>
<p>I even tried <a href="http://www.youtube.com" target="_blank">www.youtube.com</a> and couldn't find one thing
about Equest.</p>
<p>I'm just a little upset that I have every little time to
get this project</p>
<p>done by the 9th November and no training or any Training
videos.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Tools are only good if you know how to use them and with
out any training or</p>
<p>training videos, then Equest is useless to me.</p>
<p>I have used this Equest before but it was not a complex
build like the round</p>
<p>building "Kaiser medical Office" in Salem
Oregon.</p>
<p>Every program I ever used there was some contact info or
tutorials on line.</p>
<p>This is a first for me and being an Energy Simulation
program</p>
<p>I'm every surprised there is on contact number or
training videos?</p>
<p>I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY TECH SUPPORT FOR EQUEST OR ANY
CONTACT NUMBER.</p>
<p>I'm not to impress with Equest so far.</p>
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<p>Curt Strobehn</p>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Nick Caton" <<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>><br>To: "Nicholas Couture, LEED AP" <<a href="mailto:ncouture@emtec-engineers.com">ncouture@emtec-engineers.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:39:16 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Nick (I like your name!),</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m an intermediate learner and user of eQuest (not an
expert/developer), so your perspective may match mine some months down the
road. Here’s my short/sweet answers – obviously different for
others but here we go:</p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:red">…
I only use the schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy estimates,
because I do not understand the detailed inputs and how it works, but I would
like to. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I use eQuest primarily as an energy modeling tool, and only
rarely as a design (loads calculation) tool. eQuest is great for making
energy-concious design decisions (i.e. will option A or B save me more $$/yr?),
and powerful with regards to modeling for LEED and such, but it’s a big
clunker if all you need are loads to size equipment. I started with the
same thoughts as you, but now regard the wizards as a tremendous time-saver to
set yourself up for “real” work in the detailed mode.</p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:red">Are most
people using these wizards and then get into the detailed</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:red">modeling or
do you go straight into detailed parametric modeling?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For a complex model, I use the DD or SD wizards to the
fullest extent, then spend most of my time tweaking things within the detailed
mode for most projects. I occasionally spend a small amount of time delving
into typing stuff up in the .inp file to account for specific things, but I
didn’t begin picking that up until I had a number of projects under my
belt.</p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:red">…do
you get into detail modeling of the building with all spaces</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:red">and zones…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I try to model as much of the geometries as I can in the
wizards. I have edited/created geometries/rooms/zones/etc… after
the fact (it’s not as hard as it seems). It is unquestionably
faster and less prone to error within the wizards however.</p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:red">…or
do you generalize the building zones as the tutorial recommends…</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes. Same overriding concept as any loads calc program
(like HAP).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:red">and is
it worthwhile to import autoCAD files to help model</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:red">the
building?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Absolutely.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:red">Can you
compare several different building models in the</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:red">same file
and show comparison reports? </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I haven’t fully grasped yet the potential/limitations
of the parametric reports feature, but for comparing different systems and such
I generally create two different files (preserving the effort put into the
geometries by saving a copy and going backwards in the second file).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this helps,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">~Nick</p>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:40 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
Subject: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology</p>
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<p>Good Afternoon eQuest users,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I have a general question that I am wondering what is the
method that</p>
<p>people are using to model with eQuest. For example
I have done a couple</p>
<p>projects in it (always with a backup in HAP), and I only
use the</p>
<p>schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy
estimates, because I do</p>
<p>not understand the detailed inputs and how it works, but
I would like</p>
<p>to. Are most people using these wizards and then
get into the detailed</p>
<p>modeling or do you go straight into detailed parametric
modeling? Can</p>
<p>you and do you get into detail modeling of the building
with all spaces</p>
<p>and zones, or do you generalize the building zones as the
tutorial</p>
<p>recommends, and is it worthwhile to import autoCAD files
to help model</p>
<p>the building? Can you compare several different
building models in the</p>
<p>same file and show comparison reports? I have found
that the EEM wizard</p>
<p>is limited to modifying one system. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Any responses on all facets of the program are
welcome. </p>
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<p>Nick Couture, LEED AP</p>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <a href="mailto:jeff@sharpenotes.com">jeff@sharpenotes.com</a><br>To: "Nick Caton" <<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:08:47 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message<br><div><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#000000;font-size:10pt"><div>Wonderful response Nick. </div>
<div>Wise words for a bunch of us.</div>
<div>Muchas Gracias!</div>
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To: <<a href="mailto:curt.strobehn@eesinet.com" target="_blank">curt.strobehn@eesinet.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br><br>
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<div>Curt,</div>
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<div>First, as you’ve hopefully gathered, you have already found the “tech support” department for eQuest (at least in my eyes): the [Equest-users] and [Bldg-sim] mailing lists hosted at <a href="http://onebuilding.org" target="_blank">onebuilding.org</a>. </div>
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<div>Let me summarize and add to some of the key advice (which I fully agree with) that’s been posted so far. This advice is general and should be considered well by any eQuest beginner:</div>
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<p><span>1.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span><u>Hard truth</u>: You <u>should not be expected</u> to become fully proficient with a program as expansive and powerful as eQuest within a week. Anyone believing this (yourself included) needs a reality check. If that is truly a hard deadline and the modeling must be done with eQuest, you are best advised to find a local mentor (i.e. do not solo this) and/or compensate another energy modeling consultant to get the work done on time (and walk you through the model so that you can manipulate and ask questions). Alternatively, use a program you’re more familiar with.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>a.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span><u>Soft truth</u>: Truly lucky is the individual who gets to learn energy modeling software outside of a hard deadline with a simple building (students pay attention!). To that end, as a group we’re generally sympathetic to the “trial-by-fire” situation that a lot of us went through. Take care not to let your emotions get in the way of learning/help.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>b.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Design engineers/consultants such as yourself will inevitably spend long hours at first making less accurate models, but as you invest the hours learning the ins and outs can look forward to more accurate models produced at a much quicker pace. </p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>c.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>In a literal sense, the statement that learning to model building will take years is an understatement. Anybody who tells you they know all there is to know is lying through their teeth. The most intelligent modelers never stop learning. <u>That said</u>, it is not unrealistic to produce your first model in a week, understanding and accepting it will not be the most accurate model you will ever build.</p>
<p><span>2.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Your primary source for any question regarding the operation of eQuest/DOE2 should start by right clicking the field in question and pulling up the appropriate help file. You can also search from there.</p>
<p><span>3.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Your secondary source for any question regarding eQuest, or items in the help files you need a layman’s explanation of, should be to search the mailing list archives. Odds are a majority of the questions you’ll have have already been asked/answered (BOOKMARK/FAVORITE THESE):</p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>a.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/</a></p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>b.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/equest-users-onebuilding.org/" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/equest-users-onebuilding.org/</a></p>
<p><span>4.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>A tertiary source is to google a specific topic that hasn’t come up. It’s a big internet out there.</p>
<p><span>5.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>It’s apparent from the tone of your email that you’ve got to take a chill pill =)! It’s understandable to be unimpressed with the “lack of technical support,” but only to the extent that you weren’t previously aware of the huge international body of scientists/engineers/designers/practicers of building energy modeling here at these mailing lists. I’ll venture there is a lot more to be learned here than at any 1-800 tech support number for any modeling package out there.</p>
<p><span>6.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Remember – in a support forum like this, where the majority of helpful responders are doing so of their own good-will (it’s not our job), a few key things apply that normally don’t with a “tech support” line:</p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>a.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>The most detailed & informative answers consistently come from detailed & informative questions. </p>
<p style="margin-left:1.5in"><span><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span>i.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>I believe a majority of unanswered queries are due to questions not being completely posed. Always explain what you have tried, what hasn’t worked, what clues you have etc. to the best of your ability.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1.5in"><span><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span>ii.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>There’s a sizeable academic crowd subscribed to these lists that may not be inclined to respond if it’s apparent you haven’t looked up the basics for the topic-at-hand.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>b.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Pay it forward =). The best learning comes from teaching/sharing knowledge with others, and individuals you help out are more likely to return the favor! </p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>c.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Politeness is a rule, not an option.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>d.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Good grammar (at least for a native English speaker) is a rule, not an option. It will become apparent if it hasn’t already that this is an international body of subscribers with knowledgeable professionals that simply won’t waste their time trying to decipher poorly written inquiries. Proof your questions/responses.</p>
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<div>This isn’t all specific to your situation Curt, but I’ve been wanting to write this up for a while so that I can refer others to some of this basic info. Best of luck, and I hope we’ll all see more of you here!</div>
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<div>~Nick</div>
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<p>Learning how to do computer simulations for buildings from scratch without a mentor will take years.</p>
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<p>Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:31 PM</p>
<p>To:; '<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>'</p>
<p>Subject: </p>
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<p>Curt,</p>
<p>Welcome to the world of FREE software. Energy, airflow, and design software packages with an actual market value usually do come with more extensive training material, but in this case, the fastest way to learn eQUEST is to look at as much of the built-in help as possible by right clicking on any input field. In fact, the built-in help documents are rather extensive for FREE software (perhaps because it was developed through government and utility grants). Beyond the help documents, the only way to learn common work-arounds is through users forums. I have found that users are pretty responsive on this one.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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<p>Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:18 AM</p>
<p>To: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></p>
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<p>I am under a dead line and I'm have trouble with Equest</p>
<p>IS there any training DVD videos of any kind for Equest?</p>
<p>If there where training Video's at one time there should be a back copy or</p>
<p>some other source?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I'm sure there has to be a video somewhere!</p>
<p>I even tried <a href="http://www.youtube.com" target="_blank">www.youtube.com</a> and couldn't find one thing about Equest.</p>
<p>I'm just a little upset that I have every little time to get this project</p>
<p>done by the 9th November and no training or any Training videos.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Tools are only good if you know how to use them and with out any training or</p>
<p>training videos, then Equest is useless to me.</p>
<p>I have used this Equest before but it was not a complex build like the round</p>
<p>building "Kaiser medical Office" in Salem Oregon.</p>
<p>Every program I ever used there was some contact info or tutorials on line.</p>
<p>This is a first for me and being an Energy Simulation program</p>
<p>I'm every surprised there is on contact number or training videos?</p>
<p>I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY TECH SUPPORT FOR EQUEST OR ANY CONTACT NUMBER.</p>
<p>I'm not to impress with Equest so far.</p>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Bruce Easterbrook <<a href="mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca">bruce5@bellnet.ca</a>><br>To: Nick Caton <<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>, <a href="mailto:ncouture@emtec-engineers.com">ncouture@emtec-engineers.com</a><br>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:23:19 -0500<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology<br>
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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hi Nick and Nick,<br>
I have spent a year or so using E-Quest and a decade using different
forms of the DOE engine and other various modelling programs. I also
have 20 years with ASHRAE. I'm not an expert with E-quest but have
spent some crazy hours on it. I only recent discovered this forum and
for a year toiled in darkness. I will insert my comments below.<br>
</font><br>
Nick Caton wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Nick (I like your name!),</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m an intermediate learner and user of eQuest
(not an
expert/developer), so your perspective may match mine some months down
the
road. Here’s my short/sweet answers – obviously different for
others but here we go:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">…
I only use the schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy
estimates,
because I do not understand the detailed inputs and how it works, but I
would
like to. <br>
</span></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<font color="#009900">I always start with the SD and an Autocad
drawing. Get the basics in (geometry and basic construction) and let
the program size everything. Size windows and doors on percentages,
standard everything. The initial key is to get the program running and
not freezing. Look at the error reports and fix them, or at least the
one which matter. Some of the errors are not really errors. Once that
is looking good do a save as and start a new branch. Get into the DD
and start tweaking. One at a time, save and start a new branch each
time.</font><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I use eQuest primarily as an energy modeling
tool, and only
rarely as a design (loads calculation) tool. eQuest is great for
making
energy-concious design decisions (i.e. will option A or B save me more
$$/yr?),
and powerful with regards to modeling for LEED and such, but it’s a big
clunker if all you need are loads to size equipment. I started with
the
same thoughts as you, but now regard the wizards as a tremendous
time-saver to
set yourself up for “real” work in the detailed mode.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">Are most
people using these wizards and then get into the detailed</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">modeling or
do you go straight into detailed parametric modeling?</span></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<font color="#009900">I use it initially to size systems, basic heat
loss for the building, and then start dealing with ASHRAE 62.1. It
will dominate all loads. Still let the program size everything. Start
your zoning. Everything in incremental steps, save and branch before
each new step. I do not recommend going straight to detailed
modelling. The program is quirky and doesn't like certain things or
methods. If it crashes your error messages are limited and cryptic.
You could easily get 20 to 40 hours into a building detail and the
program won't run. You can then spend half that trying to figure out
what is wrong. If you can't, you go back to square one. Been there
done that. It is smarter to have a saved tail, you only have to go
back a step or two and work out the difficulty. Preserve the file,
start a new branch. Remember this program is huge and complex and very
picky. It produces 500+ pages of data. One major error and it
freezes. Keep it running!<br>
</font>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For a complex model, I use the DD or SD wizards
to the
fullest extent, then spend most of my time tweaking things within the
detailed
mode for most projects. I occasionally spend a small amount of time
delving
into typing stuff up in the .inp file to account for specific things,
but I
didn’t begin picking that up until I had a number of projects under my
belt.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">…do
you get into detail modeling of the building with all spaces</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">and zones…</span></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<font color="#009900">You go as complex as the job requires. I so far
have managed to stay out of tweaking the .inp file. I prefer to
tweak/trick the program using the DD. There are many ways to skin a
cat, you just have to find the way the program accepts your input to
get your tweak. There are many run arounds mentioned in the forum to
accomplish different tasks. Remember this program is evolving. It is
state of the art but that is changing fast.</font><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I try to model as much of the geometries as I
can in the
wizards. I have edited/created geometries/rooms/zones/etc… after
the fact (it’s not as hard as it seems). It is unquestionably
faster and less prone to error within the wizards however.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">…or
do you generalize the building zones as the tutorial recommends…</span></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<font color="#009900">Yes, start simple, go to complex.</font><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes. Same overriding concept as any loads calc
program
(like HAP).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">and is
it worthwhile to import autoCAD files to help model</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">the
building?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Absolutely.</p>
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<font color="#009900">The only way to go. Input points anti-clock wise.</font><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">Can you
compare several different building models in the</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">same file
and show comparison reports? <br>
</span></p>
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<font color="#009900">Not sure, haven't tried that feature yet. I have
lately been taking my data to a spread sheet to compare various
models. Each model in my branches represents a different concept or
trial. This will be my next ordeal by fire. Basically you just have
to work with the program and experiment. It is a great tool! Lots of
back-ups so you don't have to back track too far when things crash.<br>
Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
Abode Engineering </font><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I haven’t fully grasped yet the
potential/limitations
of the parametric reports feature, but for comparing different systems
and such
I generally create two different files (preserving the effort put into
the
geometries by saving a copy and going backwards in the second file).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this helps,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">~Nick</p>
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Subject: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology</p>
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<p>Good Afternoon eQuest users,</p>
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<p>I have a general question that I am wondering
what is the
method that</p>
<p>people are using to model with eQuest. For
example
I have done a couple</p>
<p>projects in it (always with a backup in HAP),
and I only
use the</p>
<p>schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly
energy
estimates, because I do</p>
<p>not understand the detailed inputs and how it
works, but
I would like</p>
<p>to. Are most people using these wizards and
then
get into the detailed</p>
<p>modeling or do you go straight into detailed
parametric
modeling? Can</p>
<p>you and do you get into detail modeling of
the building
with all spaces</p>
<p>and zones, or do you generalize the building
zones as the
tutorial</p>
<p>recommends, and is it worthwhile to import
autoCAD files
to help model</p>
<p>the building? Can you compare several
different
building models in the</p>
<p>same file and show comparison reports? I
have found
that the EEM wizard</p>
<p>is limited to modifying one system. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Any responses on all facets of the program
are
welcome. </p>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr." <<a href="mailto:poleary1969@gmail.com">poleary1969@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Bruce Easterbrook <<a href="mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca">bruce5@bellnet.ca</a>><br>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:37:07 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology<br>
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one important thing i've found to keep equest from crashing when in
wizard mode is to only do one thing at a time. i.e. if you're editing
shells only edit shells. quit the wizard, save & exit, backup the
directory (or at least the .pd2 file). if you're ready to edit hvac
restart equest, edit only hvac systems - nothing else. quit wizard,
save & exit, backup. same for service water heating & site.
the key seems to be switching from editing one item class (shell, hvac,
hot water, site) to another item class causes equest to crash in wizard
mode. detailed mode is not the same condition as it doesn't use the
wizards.<br>
<br>
Bruce Easterbrook wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hi Nick and Nick,<br>
I have spent a year or so using E-Quest and a decade using different
forms of the DOE engine and other various modelling programs. I also
have 20 years with ASHRAE. I'm not an expert with E-quest but have
spent some crazy hours on it. I only recent discovered this forum and
for a year toiled in darkness. I will insert my comments below.<br>
</font><br>
Nick Caton wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Nick (I like your name!),</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m an intermediate learner and user of eQuest
(not an
expert/developer), so your perspective may match mine some months down
the
road. Here’s my short/sweet answers – obviously different for
others but here we go:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">…
I only use the schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy
estimates,
because I do not understand the detailed inputs and how it works, but I
would
like to. <br>
</span></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<font color="#009900">I always start with the SD and an Autocad
drawing. Get the basics in (geometry and basic construction) and let
the program size everything. Size windows and doors on percentages,
standard everything. The initial key is to get the program running and
not freezing. Look at the error reports and fix them, or at least the
one which matter. Some of the errors are not really errors. Once that
is looking good do a save as and start a new branch. Get into the DD
and start tweaking. One at a time, save and start a new branch each
time.</font><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
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<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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</blockquote>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Pasha Korber-Gonzalez <<a href="mailto:pasha.pkconsulting@gmail.com">pasha.pkconsulting@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Bruce Easterbrook <<a href="mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca">bruce5@bellnet.ca</a>><br>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:27:47 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology<br><div><font color="#cc33cc">Nick-(who asked the question),</font></div>
<div><font color="#cc33cc"></font> </div>
<div><font color="#cc33cc">In-short, I have over 10 yrs simulation experience. Started using DOE2.1e in code form before there was a user interface--thank god for user interfaces, and especially ones that are free--such as eQuest. I've been using eQuest since 2004.</font></div>
<div><font color="#cc33cc"></font> </div>
<div><font color="#cc33cc">My responses are inserted as follows:<br></font></div>
<div><font color="#cc33cc">Pasha Korber</font></div>
<div><font color="#cc33cc">PK Consulting</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bruce Easterbrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca" target="_blank">bruce5@bellnet.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hi Nick and Nick,<br>I have spent a year or so using E-Quest and a decade using different forms of the DOE engine and other various modelling programs. I also have 20 years with ASHRAE. I'm not an expert with E-quest but have spent some crazy hours on it. I only recent discovered this forum and for a year toiled in darkness. I will insert my comments below.<br>
</font>
<div><br>Nick Caton wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Nick (I like your name!),</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m an intermediate learner and user of eQuest (not an expert/developer), so your perspective may match mine some months down the road. Here’s my short/sweet answers – obviously different for others but here we go:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">… I only use the schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy estimates, because I do not understand the detailed inputs and how it works, but I would like to. <br>
</span></p></div></blockquote></div><font color="#009900">I always start with the SD and an Autocad drawing. Get the basics in (geometry and basic construction) and let the program size everything. Size windows and doors on percentages, standard everything. The initial key is to get the program running and not freezing. Look at the error reports and fix them, or at least the one which matter. Some of the errors are not really errors. Once that is looking good do a save as and start a new branch. Get into the DD and start tweaking. One at a time, save and start a new branch each time.</font>
<div><br><font color="#cc33cc">I always start with the DD Wizard and then switch to DDedit mode. I suppose there isn't much difference in which wizard you start with the primary reason for using a wizard to start is to (on a basic level) establish: 1) the building type & applicable building schedules (i.e. MFHR vs. Office.), 2) Custom building footprint & zoning (always import a CAD file if you can, I have done the xy-coordinate input and it is not fun., 3) input your overall basic parameters from a 'one-input to all-zones' approach including LPD's, Zonal controls, occupancy/sqft, etc. The wizards are great for your basic level-all applicable inputs for the whole building.--In DDedit mode you do this zone by zone--large/complex buildings can have 100's of zones. You'll need to learn and get comfortable with DDedit mode, good simulations are performed in this mode. Results of the wizard inputs are too broad especially for compliance simulations.</font></div>
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<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I use eQuest primarily as an energy modeling tool, and only rarely as a design (loads calculation) tool. eQuest is great for making energy-concious design decisions (i.e. will option A or B save me more $$/yr?), and powerful with regards to modeling for LEED and such, but it’s a big clunker if all you need are loads to size equipment. I started with the same thoughts as you, but now regard the wizards as a tremendous time-saver to set yourself up for “real” work in the detailed mode.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">Are most people using these wizards and then get into the detailed</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red">modeling or do you go straight into detailed parametric modeling?</span></p></div></blockquote></div><font color="#009900">I use it initially to size systems, basic heat loss for the building, and then start dealing with ASHRAE 62.1. It will dominate all loads. Still let the program size everything. Start your zoning. Everything in incremental steps, save and branch before each new step. I do not recommend going straight to detailed modelling. The program is quirky and doesn't like certain things or methods. If it crashes your error messages are limited and cryptic. You could easily get 20 to 40 hours into a building detail and the program won't run. You can then spend half that trying to figure out what is wrong. If you can't, you go back to square one. Been there done that. It is smarter to have a saved tail, you only have to go back a step or two and work out the difficulty. Preserve the file, start a new branch. Remember this program is huge and complex and very picky. It produces 500+ pages of data. One major error and it freezes. Keep it running!<br>
</font>
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<p style="margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#cc33cc">See answer above, and parametric modeling is used primarily for ECM's--this is how you compare "different models" in the same file--for LEED complaince, technically you would build the proposed model in the file and then use the parametric runs to run your baseline parameters for the baseline model. The approach here is to build your proposed building design model and then "back off" the design values to the ASHRAE (or other) baseline values, thus creating your baseline simulation.</font> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For a complex model, I use the DD or SD wizards to the fullest extent, then spend most of my time tweaking things within the detailed mode for most projects. I occasionally spend a small amount of time delving into typing stuff up in the .inp file to account for specific things, but I didn’t begin picking that up until I had a number of projects under my belt.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">…do you get into detail modeling of the building with all spaces</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red">and zones…</span></p></div></blockquote></div><font color="#009900">You go as complex as the job requires. I so far have managed to stay out of tweaking the .inp file. I prefer to tweak/trick the program using the DD. There are many ways to skin a cat, you just have to find the way the program accepts your input to get your tweak. There are many run arounds mentioned in the forum to accomplish different tasks. Remember this program is evolving. It is state of the art but that is changing fast.</font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#cc33cc">I had a project about a year ago that was an ice rink. DOE2.2 can do this simulation, but eQuest has not developed a formal module to make ice rink inputs easy for the user. In this case I had no choice but to go into the .inp file in order to get out what I needed. (This is where the flashbacks come from the programming classes back in engineering school.)</font> <font color="#cc33cc"> If I don't have to do it, then everythings is better for it--it's just another complex level of this already complex software--isn't it amazing though that there are software programs that are doing these types of simulations? Just wait until dynamic system simulation becomes available--just think of the modeling problems we will have then? lol</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I try to model as much of the geometries as I can in the wizards. I have edited/created geometries/rooms/zones/etc… after the fact (it’s not as hard as it seems). It is unquestionably faster and less prone to error within the wizards however.</p>
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<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">…or do you generalize the building zones as the tutorial recommends…</span></p></div></blockquote></div><font color="#009900">Yes, start simple, go to complex.</font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#cc33cc">Simplify as much as possible, but be sure not to over simplify--when this happens you delete the file you were working on and start all over. Modeling is like chess-you have to plan your moves before you execute them.</font> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes. Same overriding concept as any loads calc program (like HAP).</p>
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<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">and is it worthwhile to import autoCAD files to help model</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red">the building?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Absolutely.</p></div></blockquote></div><font color="#009900">The only way to go. Input points anti-clock wise.</font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#cc33cc">yep.</font> </p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:red">Can you compare several different building models in the</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red">same file and show comparison reports? <br></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote>
<div><font color="#cc33cc">Yes, by way of using the parametric runs to establish your ECM's. In the parametric runs you have a lot of flexibility of what you change. I also learned last year, when I took a training class from Marlin Addison, that we can use Global Parameters to set up simplified inputs to the model and then use these inputs to quickly and easily change the inputs to run our ECM's--with this approach however, it is changing the whole model file and outputs which doesn't allow you to look at more than one model in the same file. The global parameters thing is a really cool feature, but I haven't had the chance & time to really use it--besides the inputs are based on if-then type programming, and like I said earlier-programming languages really make my head spin. I can never get the programming right in the global parameters when I try it. Some people are really good with it and use this input approach all the time. For the comparison reports, when using the parametric runs option eQuest has programmed in some great reports and graphs that show the annual & monthly energy savings for your ECMs. If this is what you want from eQuest, then use the parametric runs option.</font></div>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><font color="#009900">Not sure, haven't tried that feature yet. I have lately been taking my data to a spread sheet to compare various models. Each model in my branches represents a different concept or trial. This will be my next ordeal by fire. Basically you just have to work with the program and experiment. It is a great tool! Lots of back-ups so you don't have to back track too far when things crash.--<font color="#cc33cc">I do this too like Bruce, I keep file copies for all the "milestones" I reach in my model, or all the trials I'm doing--this is especially helpful when you have complex HVAC system inputs and then the program crashes and you can't remember which step in your inputs made it crash--with no solution. So in this case I can back-track a few steps, instead of loosing the whole project because the file became corrupt or unfixable from crash errors. </font><br>
Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>Abode Engineering </font><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I haven’t fully grasped yet the potential/limitations of the parametric reports feature, but for comparing different systems and such I generally create two different files (preserving the effort put into the geometries by saving a copy and going backwards in the second file).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <font color="#cc33cc">In support of Nick's approach--I use the parametric runs for my basic ECM's (i.e. daylighting-no daylighting, increased insulation, improved glazing, etc.) For more complex ECM's like simulating complex HVAC systems including (geothermal, radiant cooling, etc.), I do the "save as" thing like Nick and create a new file. For situations like this the HVAC system is so complex (in terms of eQuest capabilities) the baseline plant equipment is always way different then the plant equipment I need to input for the proposed high-tech HVAC system. In every case though, I assume we all do it by trial-and-error, every time we do a model...</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this helps,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">~Nick</p>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:40 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology</p>
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<p>Good Afternoon eQuest users,</p>
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<p>I have a general question that I am wondering what is the method that</p>
<p>people are using to model with eQuest. For example I have done a couple</p>
<p>projects in it (always with a backup in HAP), and I only use the</p>
<p>schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy estimates, because I do</p>
<p>not understand the detailed inputs and how it works, but I would like</p>
<p>to. Are most people using these wizards and then get into the detailed</p>
<p>modeling or do you go straight into detailed parametric modeling? Can</p>
<p>you and do you get into detail modeling of the building with all spaces</p>
<p>and zones, or do you generalize the building zones as the tutorial</p>
<p>recommends, and is it worthwhile to import autoCAD files to help model</p>
<p>the building? Can you compare several different building models in the</p>
<p>same file and show comparison reports? I have found that the EEM wizard</p>
<p>is limited to modifying one system. </p>
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<p>Any responses on all facets of the program are welcome. </p>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Supriya Goel <<a href="mailto:supriyagoel@gmail.com">supriyagoel@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:jeff@sharpenotes.com">jeff@sharpenotes.com</a><br>Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:39:30 -0700<br>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message<br>Hi,<div><br></div><div>I am a graduate student at Arizona State University, and have just started working on Equest. </div><div><br></div><div>I just read these mails to get an idea of all that possible on Equest, I dont understand most of the questions or answers, and Nick your mail is real good advise for anyone new to the world of building simulation!</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank You. </div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Supriya<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:08 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeff@sharpenotes.com" target="_blank">jeff@sharpenotes.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#000000;font-size:10pt"><div>Wonderful response Nick. </div>
<div>Wise words for a bunch of us.</div>
<div>Muchas Gracias!</div>
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<div><div>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message<br></div><div><div></div><div>From: "Nick Caton" <<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com" target="_blank">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, November 04, 2009 2:40 pm<br>To: <<a href="mailto:curt.strobehn@eesinet.com" target="_blank">curt.strobehn@eesinet.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
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<div>Curt,</div>
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<div>First, as you’ve hopefully gathered, you have already found the “tech support” department for eQuest (at least in my eyes): the [Equest-users] and [Bldg-sim] mailing lists hosted at <a href="http://onebuilding.org" target="_blank">onebuilding.org</a>. </div>
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<div>Let me summarize and add to some of the key advice (which I fully agree with) that’s been posted so far. This advice is general and should be considered well by any eQuest beginner:</div>
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<p><span>1.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span><u>Hard truth</u>: You <u>should not be expected</u> to become fully proficient with a program as expansive and powerful as eQuest within a week. Anyone believing this (yourself included) needs a reality check. If that is truly a hard deadline and the modeling must be done with eQuest, you are best advised to find a local mentor (i.e. do not solo this) and/or compensate another energy modeling consultant to get the work done on time (and walk you through the model so that you can manipulate and ask questions). Alternatively, use a program you’re more familiar with.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>a.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span><u>Soft truth</u>: Truly lucky is the individual who gets to learn energy modeling software outside of a hard deadline with a simple building (students pay attention!). To that end, as a group we’re generally sympathetic to the “trial-by-fire” situation that a lot of us went through. Take care not to let your emotions get in the way of learning/help.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>b.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Design engineers/consultants such as yourself will inevitably spend long hours at first making less accurate models, but as you invest the hours learning the ins and outs can look forward to more accurate models produced at a much quicker pace. </p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>c.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>In a literal sense, the statement that learning to model building will take years is an understatement. Anybody who tells you they know all there is to know is lying through their teeth. The most intelligent modelers never stop learning. <u>That said</u>, it is not unrealistic to produce your first model in a week, understanding and accepting it will not be the most accurate model you will ever build.</p>
<p><span>2.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Your primary source for any question regarding the operation of eQuest/DOE2 should start by right clicking the field in question and pulling up the appropriate help file. You can also search from there.</p>
<p><span>3.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Your secondary source for any question regarding eQuest, or items in the help files you need a layman’s explanation of, should be to search the mailing list archives. Odds are a majority of the questions you’ll have have already been asked/answered (BOOKMARK/FAVORITE THESE):</p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>a.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/</a></p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>b.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/equest-users-onebuilding.org/" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/equest-users-onebuilding.org/</a></p>
<p><span>4.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>A tertiary source is to google a specific topic that hasn’t come up. It’s a big internet out there.</p>
<p><span>5.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>It’s apparent from the tone of your email that you’ve got to take a chill pill =)! It’s understandable to be unimpressed with the “lack of technical support,” but only to the extent that you weren’t previously aware of the huge international body of scientists/engineers/designers/practicers of building energy modeling here at these mailing lists. I’ll venture there is a lot more to be learned here than at any 1-800 tech support number for any modeling package out there.</p>
<p><span>6.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Remember – in a support forum like this, where the majority of helpful responders are doing so of their own good-will (it’s not our job), a few key things apply that normally don’t with a “tech support” line:</p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>a.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>The most detailed & informative answers consistently come from detailed & informative questions. </p>
<p style="margin-left:1.5in"><span><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span>i.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>I believe a majority of unanswered queries are due to questions not being completely posed. Always explain what you have tried, what hasn’t worked, what clues you have etc. to the best of your ability.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1.5in"><span><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span>ii.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>There’s a sizeable academic crowd subscribed to these lists that may not be inclined to respond if it’s apparent you haven’t looked up the basics for the topic-at-hand.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>b.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Pay it forward =). The best learning comes from teaching/sharing knowledge with others, and individuals you help out are more likely to return the favor! </p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>c.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Politeness is a rule, not an option.</p>
<p style="margin-left:1in"><span>d.<span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Good grammar (at least for a native English speaker) is a rule, not an option. It will become apparent if it hasn’t already that this is an international body of subscribers with knowledgeable professionals that simply won’t waste their time trying to decipher poorly written inquiries. Proof your questions/responses.</p>
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<div>This isn’t all specific to your situation Curt, but I’ve been wanting to write this up for a while so that I can refer others to some of this basic info. Best of luck, and I hope we’ll all see more of you here!</div>
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<div>~Nick</div>
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</div></div><div><div></div><div><div><b><span style="color:#2d4d5e">NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style="color:#2d4d5e;font-size:12pt"></span></b></div>
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<p>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Kevin Kyte<br>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:08 PM<br>To: '<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>'<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message</p>
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<p>Learning how to do computer simulations for buildings from scratch without a mentor will take years.</p>
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<p>From: Chris Wark [<a href="mailto:cwark@rumseyengineers.com" target="_blank">mailto:cwark@rumseyengineers.com</a>]</p>
<p>Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:31 PM</p>
<p>To:; '<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>'</p>
<p>Subject: </p>
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<p>Curt,</p>
<p>Welcome to the world of FREE software. Energy, airflow, and design software packages with an actual market value usually do come with more extensive training material, but in this case, the fastest way to learn eQUEST is to look at as much of the built-in help as possible by right clicking on any input field. In fact, the built-in help documents are rather extensive for FREE software (perhaps because it was developed through government and utility grants). Beyond the help documents, the only way to learn common work-arounds is through users forums. I have found that users are pretty responsive on this one.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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<p>From: <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Curtis Strobehn</p>
<p>Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:18 AM</p>
<p>To: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></p>
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<p>I am under a dead line and I'm have trouble with Equest</p>
<p>IS there any training DVD videos of any kind for Equest?</p>
<p>If there where training Video's at one time there should be a back copy or</p>
<p>some other source?</p>
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<p>I'm sure there has to be a video somewhere!</p>
<p>I even tried <a href="http://www.youtube.com" target="_blank">www.youtube.com</a> and couldn't find one thing about Equest.</p>
<p>I'm just a little upset that I have every little time to get this project</p>
<p>done by the 9th November and no training or any Training videos.</p>
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<p>Tools are only good if you know how to use them and with out any training or</p>
<p>training videos, then Equest is useless to me.</p>
<p>I have used this Equest before but it was not a complex build like the round</p>
<p>building "Kaiser medical Office" in Salem Oregon.</p>
<p>Every program I ever used there was some contact info or tutorials on line.</p>
<p>This is a first for me and being an Energy Simulation program</p>
<p>I'm every surprised there is on contact number or training videos?</p>
<p>I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY TECH SUPPORT FOR EQUEST OR ANY CONTACT NUMBER.</p>
<p>I'm not to impress with Equest so far.</p>
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<p>Curt Strobehn</p>
<p>Mechanical Draft/Designer</p>
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