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<DIV><SPAN class=745102413-27102009><FONT face=Univers color=#0000ff
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<DIV><SPAN class=745102413-27102009><FONT face=Univers color=#0000ff size=2>My
understanding is that the proposed building should not be auto-sized, rather the
actual design capacities should be used, as shown on the mechanical drawings and
equipment schedules. In this way, I believe ASHRAE 90.1 gives you a credit
for "right-sizing" your systems.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=745102413-27102009><FONT face=Univers color=#0000ff size=2>I
often develop preliminary models to evaluate design decisions and the
information is simply not available, in which case I let eQuest autosize the
proposed systems, often using the same sizing ratios as in the baseline to give
a conservative result.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Christina Galyfianaki
[mailto:Christina.Galyfianaki@hurleypalmerflatt.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday,
October 27, 2009 7:15 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Joshua Wolfe;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Equest-users]
Baseline Airflow Autosizing<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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replying.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes you were right that
the DT at the fan power and control specification has to do with the motor
heat.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Delta T of 20
degrees will be the difference between the Cooling/Heating indoor design
temperature (specified at the Zone Parameters) and the Zone entering Min/Max
Supply temperature specified at the HVAC Systems Parameters. So this is the way
to input your DT. What do other eQuest user say?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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auto-sizing on Proposed building, was any project accepted by the USGBC done
this way?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri color=#1f497d size=2><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">I always just
solve the equation in AHSRAE 90.1 for kW/cfm and input directly into eQuest. The
Delta T box you are referring to, is the increase in temperature of the airflow
due to motor heat at design conditions I leave default in baseline case(2-4F
usually). I always let the program autosize in the baseline case 1.00 for
system, 1.15 for cooling and 1.25 for heating. I then look at SV-A reports to
get maximum heat extraction rate of the equipment and calculate my dt’s
(1.08*cfm*dt) which I then adjust airflows for each zone to match the 20F found
in ASHRAE 90.1. I have not found a way to directly input design delta T (20F per
ASHRAE) of zones to calculate airflow. Maybe someone else can knows a better way
and will answer this post. Hope that helps some.
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B><SPAN
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October 26, 2009 10:50 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Matutinovic, Luka; reniel barroso;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Equest-users] Baseline
Airflow Autosizing<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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everybody<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I use the auto-sizing
option as Luca described and I trusted that the when specifying the Sizing Ratio
to be 1.15 for cooling and 1.25 for heating would give me the equipment capacity
as required by G3.1.2.2. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I then run the baseline
for the first time just to get the supply airflows (cfm) from the SV-A Report.
Then I used this value to find the fan Brake Horse power from Table G3.1.2.9 and
then calculated the Pfan from the formula G3.1.2.9<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Then I find the
fraction of fan power per flow Rate in kW/cfm and input this value with a DT of
19.8 (as per G3.1.2.8)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It seemed to work fine
and the USGBC accepted the model. I am really interested to double-check with
other modellers methodology. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But mostly I want to
ask the following Question:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Do
you use the auto-sizing method for the Proposed
building?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You can still input the
actual Sizing ratio, DT and kW/cfm of your design that will determine your
energy consumption and thus reflect your design principles. I will appreciate
the feedback of the experienced users. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Matutinovic, Luka<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 26 October 2009 13:33<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> reniel barroso;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Equest-users] Baseline
Airflow Autosizing</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Univers color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Univers">Are you referring to
the sizing runs from G3.1.2.2.1? If so, leave the design cfm on each
air-handler blank (see screenshot below) and eQuest will size the flows based on
the sizing option you've specified (Click on a system, go the Basics tab, and
see "Sizing Option"). </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Univers color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Univers">If you need to size
the baseline equipment capacity as per G3.1.2.2, then multiply the
auto-sized flows from the first step, by 1.25 for heating and 1.15 for cooling
and enter the result as the design cfm.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Univers color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Univers">I think you might be
able to do the second step directly by specifying a sizing ratio
(see second screenshot), although for whatever reason I haven't done it this way
in the past, so I'd be curious to hear from the more experience eQuesters what
approach they take.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> reniel barroso
[mailto:renielbarroso@yahoo.com] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:37
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Equest-users] Baseline Airflow
Autosizing</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I've been trying to look on the
equest interface where we can set the airflow to autosize itself as per LEED
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