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color:#1F497D'>I’ve been reading the bamboo-pellet discussion with some mild
interest… but it occurred to me today – perhaps trying to frame this as a “heating
fuel source” within EA1 is a backwards perspective for a LEED project. If
the bamboo is a renewable thermal heating source, doesn’t it kinda sound a lot
more like “on-site renewable energy sources” EA Credit 2? If you seek and
achieve credits in that manner, you get to lop such calculated energy off of
your final proposed cost results under EA1 afterwards, as though the energy
were free.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I advise further careful reading of EA Credit 2. The 2.2
handbook (I don’t have the v3 at hand) has a table defining specific biofuels as
“renewable-energy.” It’s not clear based on the discussion so far where
your bamboo pellets really fit in the excluded/included renewable biomass
materials listings. EA Credit 2 is definitely structured (again in v2.2)
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electricity generation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>YinRic<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> paul.riemer@dunhameng.com; rrosen@taitem.com; Equest User<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Would cheaper fuel be credited?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Yes,
this is a special case, a group of small houses in a resort to be
LEED certified. The owner wants to make the project the most
green resort in the world...so fossil fuel is in general avoided. I agree
that wood pellet appears to be similar with fossil fuel, like
coal, although it is not fossil and can be renewed within less than 10 years. I
am still expecting an answer about baseline fuel vs. proposed fuel, shall
this be:<br>
<br>
1. wood pellet vs. wood pellet<br>
2. electricity vs. wood pellet<br>
3. natural gas vs. wood pellet<br>
4. other possibilities?<br>
<br>
It seems to me that 1 or 3 shall be more convenient to use than 2, which is, as
Paul said, "risky". But if 3 is used, why natural gas, not coal or
oil? <br>
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Any further comments are welcome.<br>
<br>
Rick<br>
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font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>From: Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com<br>
To: rrosen@taitem.com; cesseric@hotmail.com<br>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:30:57 -0500<br>
Subject: RE: [Equest-users] Would cheaper fuel be credited?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I probably would not count on a favorable LEED EAc1 review on
this. A literal reading my lead you to say Bamboo falls under
"Electric and Other" in table G.3.1.1A and thus your baseline is
electric heat but that seems like a risky claim. I would be more
inclined to read "Fossil Fuel" as "Purchased Combustible
Fuel" because I do not think the standard anticipated wood fired heating
in its scope of buildings.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Paul</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rob
Rosen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'YinRic'; 'Equest User'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Would cheaper fuel be credited?</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>ASHRAE Appendix G Modeling
Guidelines Tables 3.1.1A and 3.1.1B give the baseline HVAC system for each
type of building. The baseline heating fuel in all cases is either fossil fuel
or electricity. I believe that a different fuel may be used in the
proposed building, if it is a purchased, renewable fuel (such as wood
pellets). </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Appendix G Section 2.4 Exception
says that if the renewable fuel is site-generated or free (such as
burning waste wood from packing crates), then it cannot be modeled as
a proposed fuel for the purpose of calculating building performance.</span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> YinRic
[mailto:cesseric@hotmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 07, 2009 2:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Equest User<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Would cheaper fuel be credited?</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Hi
Users,<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
In a project, the client wants to</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>use a cheap</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>local fuel (bamboo
pellet, rapidly renewable) to reduce annual energy cost</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>and score high on
EAc1. I am wondering if in baseline, the fuel must also be bamboo pellet or
could be something else, say, natural gas, the price of which is higher per
thermal unit? I do not seem to find where in ASHRAE 90.1-2004 dictates that in
baseline and proposed, the fuel must be the same. Any comments are appreciated.
<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span
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Thanks,<br>
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