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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>See this earlier post:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/2008-March/007123.html">http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/2008-March/007123.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Partial roofs are difficult to work with,
especially if a single plenum is modeled at the top of the entire floor. If the
2<sup>nd</sup> floor has no plenum, or has a separate plenum above each space,
then you can add/modify individual roof surfaces to each space. Add roofs
(exterior surfaces), specifying “top” location. Start by making a
copy of the space polygon, <span class=GramE>then</span> modify the coordinates
to match the shape and location of the roof. This can be time consuming and
trial-and-error until you get the hang of it. As the earlier post mentioned, if
the 3-D view is unimportant, you can just create a square roof with the correct
area and put it anywhere, and assign it to the space (although I would think
shading should be considered). Create and assign as many roof constructions as
you feel are appropriate. You could try making two roof constructions to start
with, using the extremes of R value, and assigning the same construction to all
roofs to see how much of a difference it makes to the model.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lars Fetzek<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:36
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Equest-users] Mixed
construction roof</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'>Hello,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> The building that I am modeling consists
of three floors. Because the 3rd floor significantly differs from the 1st
and 2nd floors in its shape and size, I have modeled the 1st and 2nd floors as
one shell (discussed in my previous e-mail, titled "Disappearing
components") and the 3rd floor as a separate shell and project altogether.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> The present e-mail concerns the modeling
of the 2nd floor roof. The portion of the modeled roof directly beneath
the 3rd floor should be adiabatic. The remainder of the 2nd floor roof is
constructed in various ways with insulation of varying thickness and covered in
some places by deck, in other places by grass, in other places by nothing
special, and in some places by mechanical equipment. Were this a simple
shell, I would be inclined to enter a single set of heat-transfer properties of
the roof that results from a manually calculated average of values weighted by
area. However, the 2nd floor includes several rooms and HVAC zones, each
of which is under a specific portion of the actual 2nd floor roof and/or under
the 3rd floor. Therefore, the simplification that I described above seems
a bit dicey. Does anyone know of a way to properly model (in eQuest) a
roof comprised of such multiple constructions?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> Thank you in advance for any advice.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Lars Fetzek, EI</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Phoenix Engineering Group</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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