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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have done a comparison between DOE2.1
and DOE2.2 for an office building with a boiler and chiller serving a VAV air
handler. Heating and cooling loads were almost identical between the two (as
listed in the SS-A reports). Boiler gas consumption was about 10% lower for
DOE2.2.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Eric O'Neill<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 17,
2008 10:47 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Xavier García Casals<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] High
space heating values</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Our infiltration
values and schedules are both set the same. Would you mind elaborating on what
you mean by calculation method? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>We’ve tried to
analyze the loading to see if the heating calculation is the same; however
report sheet LS-D from each program is for a specific hour of a day and of
course the peak load happens on different days at different times of the year
which means you’re comparing red delicious apples to granny smiths.
We’re going to be parsing the 8760 data from the hourly reports at some
point to see if we can’t figure out if the internal loads are different,
if a specific shell component is yielding significant losses, or if the whole
building is just being calculated differently. I was just hoping someone might
have some insight into what’s going on and could point me in the right
direction. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Eric</span></font><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Xavier García Casals<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 17,
2008 3:44 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Eric O'Neill<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] High
space heating values<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Did you have a look at
infiltration values, schedules and calculation method (effects of outside T and
V)?. Since Std.90.1 does not fix this values both programes could be using
different defaults with a significant impact on heating demand.<br>
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En/na Eric O'Neill ha escrit: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Good evening all, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>So we’re beginning
the transition from VDOE (DOEv2.1e) to eQuest (DOEv2.2), and we noticed that
eQuest tended to result in higher space heating requirements. We have attempted
to reconcile the difference, but even when we set two baseline buildings as
closely as possible in their respective program - setting as many details the
same as we could - we still couldn’t get similar space heating results.
Most of electric consumptions were close enough, however the space heating
section results indicated about a 40% more heating in eQuest than in VDOE. The
eQuest model is showing about 0.67 therms/square foot for something similar to
an ASHRAE baseline (although it’s not exactly) which seems high. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In a similar fashion,
I’m working on a <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">NAPA</st1:place></st1:City>
autoparts store, which, as most know, are extremely simple. My output there is
about 0.76 therms/square foot. I built it to the dimensions that they gave me,
however I set all the components to the ASHRAE 90.1 standard and left the
remainder as defaults. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Has anyone else
experienced this? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Garamond><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:green;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Eric O'Neill</span></font></i></b> <br>
<font size=2 color=gray face=Garamond><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Garamond;color:gray'>Mechanical Engineer</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 color=gray face=Garamond><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Garamond;color:gray'>Energy Division - Michaels Engineering</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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