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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you all for your input regarding
Revit MEP. It had been a big help to us!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Dakota Kelley
[mailto:dakotak@teliospc.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 19, 2008
3:37 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> shaojieworld2006@yahoo.com; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</st1:PersonName>; Ryan Lacey<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Equest-users] Do you
have Revit MEP & associated energymodeling software experience?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I second everything
Shaojie said. Our office uses Revit MEP on a regular basis (we work with
a lot of architects who are serious about migrating over), but we only use it
for mechanical design and electrical fixture layouts. All plumbing,
circuiting, panel schedules, riser diagrams, etc. are still done in AutoCAD
MEP. Revit is pretty weak on the plumbing side, and aside from showing
the location of lights and receptacles, we consider it weak on the electrical
side compared to the tools we’ve set up in-house. It’s
supposed to be great at doing your schedules and other back-end work, but like
Shaojie said, you spend so much time on the front end getting your families to
play nice together that we’re not convinced it’s completely worth
the extra time and cost. Plus, the training support is still pretty
limited. We’ve been so frustrated with it that we’ve hired a
third party trainer to come into the office and conduct classes for a couple
days, but that’s extremely expensive. It’s best if you have a
person in the office who has the bandwidth to become the in-house Revit guru
while everyone else is getting up to speed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Of course, it’s
always a good idea to get the learning curve under way if your budget can
accommodate the license fees, but it will put a huge strain on your production
schedule if you try to switch over night. A slow and steady migration,
one project at a time, is what I would recommend if you choose to go this
route. Put a couple buffer weeks in the project’s production
schedule, too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>As far as the
supplementary energy modeling tools in Revit, I’m not that familiar with
them. We’ve spent so much time trying to get a handle on eQUEST
that we’re not quite ready to start branching out into other options yet.
If I were in your position, though, I would start by finding out if Revit’s
tools meet the software requirements outlined in ASHRAE 90.1. If not, don’t
waste your time with it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> eric wang
[mailto:shaojieworld2006@yahoo.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 18, 2008 6:09
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</st1:PersonName>;
Ryan Lacey<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] Do you
have Revit MEP & associated energymodeling software experience?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Ryan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I used Revit MEP
2008 about a year. Per my experience, the mechanical part of Revit MEP
is ok to use. The major difference between Revit MEP and AutoCAD is that
everything is based on 3D. The big challenge for me is that I can’t
find the similar commands I used to have in AutoCAD. And Revit makes my pc
very slow because it recommends having 4GB memory. You can download the most
of families (similar to the "block" in AutoCAD) from Autodesk
website. However, you still need to spend lots of time
customizing the "family" per your equipment selection. The
fast way to learn it is to setup in-house training and work on real projects
instead of going through the tutorials. In the first couple of weeks, you
maybe want to throw your pc on the street because you are so angry with
Revit. In short, AutoCAD is a good drafting tool but Revit MEP makes your 3D
drawings look so cool. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Good Luck!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Shaojie <br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Mon, 8/18/08, Ryan Lacey <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><<st1:PersonName w:st="on">ryan@petersenengineering.com</st1:PersonName>></span></i></span></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>From: Ryan Lacey <<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">ryan@petersenengineering.com</st1:PersonName>><br>
Subject: [Equest-users] Do you have Revit MEP & associated energy
modeling software experience?<br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</st1:PersonName><br>
Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:20 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi
everyone,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Sorry for
the cross posting…</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Our office
is thinking about buying a license Revit MEP. Does anybody out there
have any experience using it? Any comments about it? I heard that
it still has a lot of bugs to be worked out and may be a bit of a headache
until the “issues” are resolved.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Also, does
anybody have experience working with the supplemental energy modeling
programs that work with the Revit MEP models such as IES or any other
softwares? How do they compared to eQuest or HAP? Do the supplemental
energy modeling programs available today simulate the actual systems drawn in
Revit MEP or do they just share building envelope geometry?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks for
the input,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Ryan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Ryan Lacey</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Petersen
Engineering, Inc.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on"><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>PO Box</span></font></st1:Street><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> 4774</span></font></st1:address><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><st1:Street
w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on"><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>6 Market Square</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><o:p></o:p></p>
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w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Portsmouth</span></font></st1:City><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>, <st1:State
w:st="on">NH</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">03801</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Phone
603.436.4233</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Fax
603.436.4294</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://www.petersenengineering.com/" target="_blank"><font color=blue><span
style='color:blue'>www.petersenengineering.com</span></font></a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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w:st="on"><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>ryan@petersenengineering.com</span></font></st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></p>
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