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color:#1F497D'>I second everything Shaojie said. Our office uses Revit
MEP on a regular basis (we work with a lot of architects who are serious about
migrating over), but we only use it for mechanical design and electrical
fixture layouts. All plumbing, circuiting, panel schedules, riser
diagrams, etc. are still done in AutoCAD MEP. Revit is pretty weak on the
plumbing side, and aside from showing the location of lights and receptacles,
we consider it weak on the electrical side compared to the tools we’ve
set up in-house. It’s supposed to be great at doing your schedules
and other back-end work, but like Shaojie said, you spend so much time on the
front end getting your families to play nice together that we’re not
convinced it’s completely worth the extra time and cost. Plus, the
training support is still pretty limited. We’ve been so frustrated
with it that we’ve hired a third party trainer to come into the office
and conduct classes for a couple days, but that’s extremely expensive.
It’s best if you have a person in the office who has the bandwidth to
become the in-house Revit guru while everyone else is getting up to speed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Of course, it’s always a good idea to get the learning
curve under way if your budget can accommodate the license fees, but it will
put a huge strain on your production schedule if you try to switch over night.
A slow and steady migration, one project at a time, is what I would recommend
if you choose to go this route. Put a couple buffer weeks in the project’s
production schedule, too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>As far as the supplementary energy modeling tools in Revit, I’m
not that familiar with them. We’ve spent so much time trying to get
a handle on eQUEST that we’re not quite ready to start branching out into
other options yet. If I were in your position, though, I would start by
finding out if Revit’s tools meet the software requirements outlined in
ASHRAE 90.1. If not, don’t waste your time with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> eric wang
[mailto:shaojieworld2006@yahoo.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 18, 2008 6:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org; Ryan Lacey<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Do you have Revit MEP & associated
energymodeling software experience?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Ryan,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I used Revit MEP 2008 about a
year. Per my experience, the mechanical part of Revit MEP is ok to use. The
major difference between Revit MEP and AutoCAD is that everything is based on
3D. The big challenge for me is that I can’t find the similar commands
I used to have in AutoCAD. And Revit makes my pc very slow because it
recommends having 4GB memory. You can download the most of families (similar
to the "block" in AutoCAD) from Autodesk website. However,
you still need to spend lots of time customizing the "family"
per your equipment selection. The fast way to learn it is to setup in-house
training and work on real projects instead of going through the tutorials. In
the first couple of weeks, you maybe want to throw your pc on the street
because you are so angry with Revit. In short, AutoCAD is a good drafting
tool but Revit MEP makes your 3D drawings look so cool. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Good Luck!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Shaojie <br>
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--- On <b>Mon, 8/18/08, Ryan Lacey <i><ryan@petersenengineering.com></i></b>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From: Ryan Lacey
<ryan@petersenengineering.com><br>
Subject: [Equest-users] Do you have Revit MEP & associated energy
modeling software experience?<br>
To: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:20 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi everyone,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sorry for the cross
posting…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Our office is
thinking about buying a license Revit MEP. Does anybody out there have
any experience using it? Any comments about it? I heard that it
still has a lot of bugs to be worked out and may be a bit of a headache until
the “issues” are resolved.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Also, does anybody
have experience working with the supplemental energy modeling programs that
work with the Revit MEP models such as IES or any other softwares? How
do they compared to eQuest or HAP? Do the supplemental energy modeling
programs available today simulate the actual systems drawn in Revit MEP or do
they just share building envelope geometry?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks for the
input,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ryan Lacey</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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