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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Attached is a reference on converting EER and SEER to Cooling EIR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hope this helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robby
Oylear<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Paul Riemer'; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Wizard DX EER Correction<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Thanks Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>We actually have that equation floating around the office and I
wasn’t sure where it came from either. Does anyone out there know where
it comes from?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>By the way, it is a little misleading to say that EIR does not
include supply fan energy. If you have convert an EER or COP from a
manufacturer to an EIR without using something to remove fan heat, then it will
have fan energy. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I was hoping to use the wizard interface to remove the fan energy
from an ARI rated EER and was wondering if it was possible that anyone knew
exactly what was going on in the background. The equation you gave doesn’t
quite match the adjusted EER that the wizard gives out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Robby Oylear</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Mechanical
Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>direct:
206.788.4571<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>cell: 206.354.2721</span><span
style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Paul Riemer
[mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Robby Oylear'; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Wizard DX EER Correction</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I thought Andrew said this mostly well but maybe equations
would help.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>EER = (Cooling Output Btu/hr ) / (Supply Fan W + Compressor W
+ Condenser Fan W)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>COP = Output / Input and is unitless </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>EIR = 1/COP (so it is also unitless) =
(Compressor Input + Condenser Input) / (Cooling Output)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>So hopefully you see that EIR does not include supply fan
energy. All fan energy is modeled in DOE-2 based on the
separate fan energy inputs and assumptions. Of course ASHRAE 90.1-2004
Section 6 and Appendix G including amendments prescribe baseline fan power
limits and part load performance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I believe the Standard Test Procedure for determining the EER
rating includes a prescribed external static pressure but exactly what portion
of the total unit electric energy is due to the supply fan would vary a little
from unit to unit based on type of fan, internal static losses, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>So the eQUEST WIZARD is removing an
assumed standard fan component from the entered EER and
doing a units conversion to determine a cooling efficiency (EIR) for
DOE-2.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I have in my files: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>EIR = (1/EER-0.012167)/((1/3.413)+ 0.012167)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>EIR = (1/SEER*0.778+1.4)-0.012167)/((1/3.413)+ 0.012167)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I do not recall where I found this but obviously I
attribute it to the above eQUEST development team. I do
apologize if it is out of date, misinterpreted, or mistyped.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I encourage digging deep through the program, its help files,
and the various archives and also attending a training session like
the Energy Center of Wisconsin's with Marlin Addison.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Paul Riemer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robby
Oylear<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Wizard DX EER Correction</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Sorry to dig up an old topic, but I have a question about the
wizard that was talked about a year ago. As mentioned below, the wizard
will change the efficiency you input into the program, but I can not figure out
what the change is based on. One would assume its taking into account the
fan power, but by changing the fan bhp entry in the wizard I see no change in
the EIR that is output by the wizard. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Does anyone have any insight as to how the wizard reaches the
resulting EIR for DX units?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Robby Oylear</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Mechanical
Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>direct:
206.788.4571<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>cell: 206.354.2721</span><span
style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> BLDG-SIM@gard.com
[mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Craig<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> BLDG-SIM@gard.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [BLDG-SIM] a qucik question about Cooling EIR -- eQuest</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Anna---</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The EIR in eQUEST
is the combined efficiency of the</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>unit</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>condenser and compressor while the ASHRAE code EER
or SEER values are the entire packaged unit efficiency. You'll notice if
you enter a</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>published</span>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>EER or SEER in the
wizard and then check the EIR output in the detailed edit mode, it does not</span>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>equal 3.413/EER
because it isn't taking into account the fan efficiency</span> <span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>or inefficiency depending on
how you look at it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>If you are doing a
model for LEED, the way I have been</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>advised to model packaged units is to enter the
ASHRAE Table values in the wizard (EER or</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>SEER) and let the program parse out the components
of EIR and fan power. Then, calculate the baseline fan efficiency and
enter that</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>number</span>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>in the detailed edit
mode, overriding the wizard created value.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I have heard from
members on the ASHRAE committee that Appendix G does not handle this issue very
well and it seems to be something that could be refined. If anyone out
there has a more definitive stance on the proper way to model packaged units in
eQUEST with regards to ASHRAE/Appendix G, please chime in.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a name=""><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Andrew
Craig, EIT, LEED® AP | Mechanical Designer</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: BLDG-SIM@gard.com [<a href="mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com">mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com</a>]
On Behalf Of Anna Liu<br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:38 AM<br>
To: BLDG-SIM@gard.com<br>
Subject: [BLDG-SIM] a qucik question about Cooling EIR -- eQuest</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Hello all, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I have a quick
question about the Cooling EIR in</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>eQuest. If I got
COP from ASHRAE90.1-2004 Table 6.8.1,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>then EIR=1/COP.
Does this caculation include the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>supply fan
electrical energy already or not? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Thanks for your
help. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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