[Equest-users] Setting DOAS system type airflow rates

Nicholas Caton Nicholas.Caton at se.com
Thu May 16 10:04:06 PDT 2019 

Ah sorry, I retract my guess – I read too fast and my eyes locked to Brian’s demonstrative screenshot, which had a hot water loop indicated for heating.

Taking a step back, have you tried some of the custom hourly outputs specific for DOAS systems?  It may be helpful to figure out if this gas is being consumed 24/7, in sync with system operations, day vs. night, etc.

One new thought is that this might be a piece of subcooling and reheat to accomplish dehumidification – something to look out for in those hourlies.

~Nick

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Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Setting DOAS system type airflow rates

A fast shotgun guess:  Is it possible the boiler(s) serving that hot water loop feature a 5:1 turndown and the loop operation is set to standby, meaning the boiler(s) can’t turn off completely?

~Nick

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Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Setting DOAS system type airflow rates

For my most recent project for which I have a DOAS system, I've noticed a constant (8760 hrs) heating energy consumption. I've got the DOAS set up as a gas-fired furnace and DX cooling coil. I've set my auxiliary fuel consumption set to 0 and no preheat. During the summer where there is active cooling my furnace is running at about 19% of it's design capacity (simultaneous heating and cooling). Has anyone noticed their DOAS system doing this? Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Chris

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 9:52 AM Brian Fountain via Equest-users <equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>> wrote:
Hi Chris.

Yes – you can explicitly set the heating and/or cooling capacities of the DOAS system type.

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Cheers,

Brian

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Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Setting DOAS system type airflow rates

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Thanks Bill,
Re. DOAS coils – is there an option to specifically size the coils?

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Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Setting DOAS system type airflow rates

Thanks, Brian! You make an important point on design sizing of DOAS systems – the hourly ventilation rate is determined by the systems/zones that the DOAS serves, and the corresponding ventilation controls for those systems.
Some additional observations:
-          If you enter the DOAS SUPPLY-FLOW (Design cfm):
o   The design fan power will be based on the SUPPLY-FLOW multiplied by SUPPLY-KW/FLOW (if entered).
o   Any central airhandler coils will be autosized based on the SUPPLY-FLOW. (See the SV-C report in the SIM file.)
-          If instead, you let the DOAS SUPPLY-FLOW (Design cfm) default by leaving it blank:
o   The design fan power will be based on the design ventilation rate determined by the served systems multiplied by SUPPLY-KW/FLOW (if entered).
o   Any central airhandler coils will be autosized based on the design ventilation rate.
-          If you enter zone ventilation as OA/FLOW-PER (cfm per person), to simulate DCV or to size the ventilation per ASHRAE 62.1 guidelines, the design ventilation rate will be based on the highest hourly value in the occupancy schedule. So you have to have at least one hour with 1.0 occupancy either in the weekday, weekend and/or CDD/HDD schedules. Otherwise, the design ventilation rate will be reduced.

~Bill

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Subject: [Equest-users] Setting DOAS system type airflow rates

Caution note when using DOAS systems – you cannot simply define the OA volume in the flow parameters tab of the DOAS fan.

In DOE-2.3, there is now a system type ‘DOAS’ that will properly provide outdoor air either directly to zones or to the mixing section of the system it serves.  The volume of outdoor air delivered by this system is determined by the outdoor air flow rates of the zones that take air from this system.  The screenshot below suggests that the unit will be delivering 6,545 cfm of OA but in fact this system was only delivering 500 cfm as the served zones did not have their OA volumes set properly.

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When the OA was defined in the zones taking air from this system, the volume of OA in the DOAS was as expected.

Today’s lesson – define outdoor air rates properly, and hourly reports are your friend.


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