[Equest-users] Estimating groundwater temps

Nicholas Caton Nicholas.Caton at se.com
Fri Mar 1 07:43:22 PST 2019 

Oh I’m glad you brought it up – a chance to brag a little…

I happen to have personally measured heat exchange at the associated campus steam heat exchanger for potable hot water trended with good correlation to the average daily drybulb… so the waters are as clear as I could hope for in that direction ;-)!

~Nick

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If you want to get real accurate, the percentage of hot water to cold water varies seasonally as well.

Users like hotter water in the winter to warm up (hand wash and showers), and colder water in the summer because it’s more refreshing.

Not sure there’s a good reference out there for this, but thought I would muddy the waters some more 😊.

Fred


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Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Estimating groundwater temps

Hey there Nick,
Weather files such as TMY2 and TMY3 include monthly ground temperature data. I don’t know how the data is generated but I believe it’s based on methodology in ASHRAE Handbook – Fundamentals.
According to the help documentation, the DHW-INLET-T and DHW-INLET-T-SCH default to the monthly ground temperatures from the weather file. You can create a custom hourly report block to report the ground temperature -ground temp is one of the global variables. You can also use DOE2 weather utilities to convert weather files to readable text files. For example, STAT.BAT generates a summary of statistical data that includes the monthly ground temperatures.

Happy Thursday,
~Bill

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Subject: [Equest-users] Estimating groundwater temps

Hi everyone,

I have a situation where I want to estimate the seasonal variance in the potable domestic water supply as a function of atmospheric drybulb temperatures.  I *think* eQuest has some algorithm to derive 12 (monthly average) temperatures from the weather file data for makeup/DHW purposes… however after scanning the 2.1e engineers manual and a first pass at trying to find some helpful entry in the resource manual, I’m coming up dry so far.

I’m trying hoping to source the equations & assumptions used for this estimation, so that I can modify it to fit my project.  I’m not specifically married to matching eQuest’s output – any similar process/formulae would be welcome.

Any suggestions?

~Nick


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  Regional Energy Engineering Manager
  Energy and Sustainability Services
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