[Equest-users] ASHRAE 90.1 ERV 50% energy recovery effectiveness - eQUEST inputs?

[Bishop, Bill via Equest-users]

Yes, uneven airflows complicate things, and can be used by manufacturers to game the system. There are other considerations, such as how to treat the heat gains from fan motors. (Inefficient fans add more heat to the airstream(s), which can benefit the wintertime effectiveness but use more fan energy.) Passive House has been looking at this closely:
http://www.phius.org/NAPHC2014/Semmelhack-HRV-presentation.pdf

~Bill

From: Keith Swartz [mailto:KSwartz at seventhwave.org]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:18 AM
To: Bishop, Bill <bbishop at pathfinder-ea.com>
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Subject: RE: [Equest-users] ASHRAE 90.1 ERV 50% energy recovery effectiveness - eQUEST inputs?

Bill,

Yes, Equation 6-J of the 2010 User's Manual (p. 6-107) is the same equation that I referenced.

I noticed that the equation does not have the correction factor for unequal airflows, which is the "monkey wrench" I had in mind to caution against. Several manufacturers include this factor in their effectiveness calculation. The graphic below is from a presentation by Trane.

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Usually the exhaust air flow is lower than the outside air flow due to building pressurization.

So when should the flow ratio be applied? Any manufacturers or 90.1 committee members want to chime in?

Keith Swartz, PE | Senior Energy Engineer
Seventhwave
608.210.7123 seventhwave.org

From: Bishop, Bill [mailto:bbishop at pathfinder-ea.com]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:05 AM
To: Keith Swartz <KSwartz at seventhwave.org<mailto:KSwartz at seventhwave.org>>
Subject: RE: [Equest-users] ASHRAE 90.1 ERV 50% energy recovery effectiveness - eQUEST inputs?

Thanks Keith. I don't have the 2013 User's Manual but the 2010 version has an equation that is just basically the difference in enthalpies between airstreams. Is that what equation 6-K is? My question would still remain - how to model that in eQUEST?
~Bill

From: Keith Swartz [mailto:KSwartz at seventhwave.org]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:39 AM
To: Bishop, Bill <bbishop at pathfinder-ea.com<mailto:bbishop at pathfinder-ea.com>>; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>
Subject: RE: [Equest-users] ASHRAE 90.1 ERV 50% energy recovery effectiveness - eQUEST inputs?

Bill,

For all practical purposes, I also simply set the sensible and latent effectivenesses to 50%. If your energy model will get thorough scrutiny, you may want to use Equation 6-K in the User's Manual, 2013 edition.

Keith Swartz, PE | Senior Energy Engineer
Seventhwave
608.210.7123 seventhwave.org

From: Lapierre, Patrick via Equest-users [mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [Equest-users] ASHRAE 90.1 ERV 50% energy recovery effectiveness - eQUEST inputs?

It is my interpretation as well and what I always do.

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Patrick Lapierre_ing. BEMP
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I'd appreciate some sensible guidance. Please don't dampen my spirits...

Section 6.5.6.1 describes that required energy recovery systems (ERVs) "shall have at least 50% energy recovery effectiveness", meaning "a change in enthalpy of the outdoor air supply equal to 50% of the difference between the outdoor air and return air enthalpies at design conditions".
My reaction is to model this by setting both the sensible and latent effectiveness (ERV-SENSIBLE-EFF and ERV-LATENT-EFF) to 50% (0.50).
Is this correct?

Ye be thanked,
~Bill

William Bishop, PE, BEMP, BEAP, CEM, LEED AP | Pathfinder Engineers & Architects LLP
Senior Energy Engineer

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