[Equest-users] Wizard BDL Error When Defining Custom Zones

Tue Sep 13 23:26:04 PDT 2011

Hi Paul--- I looked at your model file:  Rev 1.--I was able to add a 2nd &
3rd zone to the 1st Floor Main shell with no problems.  When I closed out of
the navigator I did get the BDL errors that you refferred to, but none of
them had to do with zoning of your 1st floor shell.  They are errors that
are associated with other shells that you have defined.

I also looked at Rev2 and saw the same things.

These are some thoughts and observations about your model file from one
simulator to another:

   - Why are you working with 17 shells in your model?  Is this absolutely
   necessary?  I recommend using the "layer cake" building method using shells
   (as a floor by floor input) and this should be able to get you to 5 shells
   or less for your entire model. I always try to stick with a lesser amount of
   shells if possible.
   - You have already input all of your shells before you have completed the
   custom zoning in them---this type of approach can be confusing to eQuest and
   may cause it to get 'finicky'  (sp?)--in my opinion/experience.    I have a
   gut feeling that your errors in your model will go away once you are
   finished adding all your custom zoning/zones to the model and to all your
   shells.
   - I suggest that you check "off" the box in the wizard that says "display
   zone grouping screen"  #13 screen   by doing this for all of the 17 shells
   that you have active in your model I think that this will eliminate one of
   the 3 BDL errors you are getting.  After you have your custom zoning
   completed then you can go back to those zone group screens and continue with
   your inputs to move forward.
   - The errors you are getting aren't too alarming to me from looking at
   your files.  I believe taht these errors are just a result of eQuest getting
   a lot of 'unfinished' input info all at once and it is running into errors
   until you can complete your input data into the wizard.

I suggest that you keep plugging away with your model file and as long as
you are able to add your zones to your shells then you shouldn't have any
problems getting this done.  I had no problem adding a couple of shells to
the 1st floor main shell.  Check out the attached model file that I
adjusted.

Cheers,
Pasha

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Nick Caton <ncaton at smithboucher.com> wrote:

>  I don’t personally have the time to dig at this today – but another
> suspect cause from what I’ve read is that one or more of your shells/zones
> may geometrically be in conflict with each other, even if only by a small
> amount.  I’d therefore review your shell placement inputs (I always use
> coordinates myself), and see if moving them distinctly apart has any effect
> on whether errors are encountered, as well as whether you’re not
> accidentally specifying zone vertices that result in conflicting zone
> footprints (CAD/vertex snaps can be deceptive at times, even when you’re
> being careful).****
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> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Paul Diglio
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:11 PM
> *To:* Pasha Korber-Gonzalez; Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr.
> *Cc:* equest-users
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> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Wizard BDL Error When Defining Custom Zones*
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> Patrick:
>
> Thank you for your efforts.  No, I don't have a zone group without a zone
> attached to it.  Kindly check the attached files to see if I missed
> something.
>
> Pasha:
>
> Attached is the project rev1 and rev2 files.  Rev1 is fine with one zone
> added on the first floor main shell.  Rev2 is with a second zone added to
> the first floor main shell and is where I am encountering the problems.
>
> Thank you so much for checking this out for me.
>
> Paul Diglio****
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> *From:* Pasha Korber-Gonzalez <pasha.pkconsulting at gmail.com>
> *To:* "Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr." <poleary1969 at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Paul Diglio <paul.diglio at sbcglobal.net>; equest-users <
> equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>
> *Sent:* Tue, September 13, 2011 12:50:34 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Wizard BDL Error When Defining Custom Zones*
> ***
>
> Paul---how about attaching your .pd2, .inp, and dwg file and see if we get
> the same error on our computer....****
>
>  ****
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> My guess is that it is a shell error, or some corruption in your whole
> file....you might have to start a new file.****
>
>  ****
>
> I'm happy to try and recreate the error on my computer.****
>
>  ****
>
> Pasha ****
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr. <
> poleary1969 at gmail.com> wrote:****
>
> looking at screen 14, do you have a zone group defined without a zone
> assigned to it?  this would be the same as having an empty zone in detailed
> mode (i.e. no space assigned to a zone).  detailed mode requiring the space
> (your initial customing zoning) assigned to a zone (the zone group wizard
> screen 14) assigned to an hvac unit of some type. ****
>
>
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> On 9/13/11 8:41 AM, Paul Diglio wrote: ****
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>  Patrick:****
>
> The HVAC unit is assigned for each zone I enter.   Initially, I had one
> zone per floor.  When I started to add custom zones I made sure that each
> zone on screen 14 of the shell create/modify wizard is assigned to the hvac
> system.
>
> I am unsure of what the error message means so I am having difficulty
> correcting it.   I even tried to create custom zones on the second floor of
> this building and I get the same error, but I was able to create custom
> zones in the basement of this building without any errors.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Paul Diglio****
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