[Equest-users] DD Wizard: Discrepancies between Proposed andBaseline

Tue Nov 2 14:19:12 PDT 2010

Thanks Nick!  I'm really just trying to test the limits of the DD Wizard, so it's good to know that I'm apparently not really missing anything.  I was pretty sure I would have to jump into Detailed Mode to get accurate results, but wanted to make sure someone agreed with that assessment before I did so.  Thanks again.

Kristy Walson, PE, LEED AP
Mechanical Engineer / Sustainable Design

From: Nick Caton [mailto:ncaton at smithboucher.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:16 PM
To: Walson, Kristy; eQUEST Users List
Subject: RE: [Equest-users] DD Wizard: Discrepancies between Proposed andBaseline

Hi Kristy!

A majority of the variables affecting fan power (scheduling, kW/CFM...) aren't explicitly specifiable until you are in detailed mode.

That said, a CV heatpump system may well consume less fan power than a VAV system as you (1) don't have as many fans in quantity and (2) your CV fan may be running intermittently whereas a VAV system has a main fan running constantly / on a schedule.

Note that by limiting yourself to the wizards you are only able to specify inexact "standard/high/premium" efficiencies, whereas if you moved into detailed you could specify these to your liking to get a more accurate reading on total fan energy consumption.

If you are unhappy that the cooling consumptions reported aren't equal, adjusting the corresponding cooling efficiencies is probably about all you can do to affect that if you're stuck in the wizards.

Fundamentally, all things being equal however, a VAV system with reheat (?) is probably going to consume more energy cooling supply air, as you're now providing cooling to supply air that needs to be reheated in some zones during certain seasons.  What you gain in occupant comfort you might lose in cooling consumption!

Kristy, the following is less for you and more for the group at large, as I understand you're a veteran here ;):

Whenever your "wizards only" model is not behaving properly and time permits, I'd encourage you to temporarily pop into detailed mode to explore everything the wizards are really specifying as a means of learning the why's and wherefore's of your modeled behavior.  As newer modelers learn eQuest/DOE2, the wizards can be viewed as something like a set of training wheels that eventually you need to remove before you can really compete in a race.  For all they do to simplify and streamline creating a model, the wizards are frankly limiting.  Until you can swim in the deep end of the pool, you can't dive to the deepest depths.

Experienced modelers will intentionally decide to use "wizard-bound" models to explore things in a time-efficient manner, but that decision hinges on knowing and accepting in what fashion the variables are limited and determining those limitations are acceptable for the study at-hand.  Do not avoid detailed mode based solely on any level of discomfort you have with the level of control you are granted - dive in!  In the worst case, you can always pop back to the wizards.

~Nick

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From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Walson, Kristy
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:51 PM
To: eQUEST Users List
Subject: [Equest-users] DD Wizard: Discrepancies between Proposed andBaseline

Hello Equest friends,

I am working in the DD Wizard (and trying to not move into Detailed Mode), building the Proposed and Baseline models for a project that is in the middle of design.  I took the Proposed model file and did a "Save As" to create the Baseline model, so I know that the two models are starting out the same.  My Proposed HVAC system is a Packaged VAV with Electric Heat and my Baseline system is a Packaged Heat Pump Constant Volume.  When I only change the system type in the Baseline model from the Proposed Pkgd VAV to the Constant Vol. HP, my annual energy consumption for cooling reduces in the Baseline model (I would expect no change), the heating consumption reduces (this is to be expected), and the fan power goes down in the baseline.  I can't figure out, when I change from a VAV to a Constant Volume system why the fan power would ever go down.  I was hoping to make up for the HP's better heating efficiency through reduced fan power.

This just doesn't make sense to me.  Remember, I'm still in the DD Wizard and only have limited access to changes.  Can anyone explain this to me and offer advice on how to achieve more predictable results?  Thanks in advance for the help.

Kristy M. Walson, PE, LEED AP
Mechanical Engineer / Sustainable Design

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