<div dir="ltr"><div><p>Dear All,</p>
<p>Thank you for the thoughtful discussion. Many of the challenges you’ve highlighted around preparing CAD/BIM files for simulation — such as over-detailed drawings, unclear room boundaries, and manual input of loads — resonate strongly with our experience as well.</p>
<p>In our own work, we’ve been exploring how the modeling and editing power of CAD can be used to ease this process. Instead of simply cleaning up geometry, we’ve experimented with generating walls, windows, and room tags directly in CAD and attaching xdata that can carry simulation-relevant information downstream. This metadata not only helps build structured 3D models more easily but can also automate first-order calculations (e.g., estimating infiltration from external wall and window areas), which otherwise often require manual effort.</p>
<p>The idea is not to replace simulation engines, but to harness CAD as a strong pre-processor and reduce redundant steps. When the model moves into tools like eQuest, gbXML, HAP, or Rhino, much of the groundwork is already structured and simulation-ready.</p>
<p>I’d be interested to hear if others have tried embedding simulation-friendly metadata at the CAD stage, and how you see the balance between preparing models in CAD versus in the simulation tools themselves.</p><p>Regards</p></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0);font-family:georgia,serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-size:13px">Gurneet Singh</span></div><div><div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face="georgia, serif" color="#006600">Director</font></div><div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face="georgia, serif" color="#006600"><br></font></div><div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face="georgia, serif" color="#006600">Environmental Design Solutions Pvt. 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However, if I’ve got a really clean “stick” drawing, its about as easy just to use the IES geometry tools to draw the spaces from scratch. The process I use to get clean floor plans quickly is use a 2D CAD drawing, turn off all the layers I want to keep (walls, doors, windows, space names), then select everything else and delete it, then turn the layers I turned off, save as DXF, then use ConstructDXF or simply sketch the plan using the attached DXF. This workflow works fairly well.</div><div dir="auto"><br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">M. Dennis Knight, P.E., FASHRAE<div>Founder & Principal</div><div><b>W</b>hole <b>B</b>uilding <b>S</b>ystems, LLC</div><div>P.O. Box 1845</div><div>Mt. Pleasant, SC 29465</div><div>Phone: 843-437-3647</div><div>Email: <a href="mailto:dknight@wholebuildingsystems.com" target="_blank">dknight@wholebuildingsystems.com</a></div><div>Website: <a href="http://www.wholebuildingsystems.com" target="_blank">www.wholebuildingsystems.com</a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 10:37 PM Karen Walkerman via Bldg-sim <<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">The approach we take in EP3 (<a href="https://ep3.solutions" target="_blank">https://ep3.solutions</a>), is similar to Chris's description of creating "watertight" 2D CAD drawings. 2D floorplans are created, and then walls are extruded up to intersect with flat or pitched roofs. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If you already have clean CAD drawings, you can translate them to EP3 floors with one click. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In EP3, instead of grouping 3D surfaces by space or zone, we maintain the 2D floorplans, and have exterior walls, interior walls, and roof surfaces. The major advantage is that changes to floorplans can be made in the 2D floorplans at any phase of the project. Adjacent zone geometry, walls, and intersections with complex roof shapes happen automatically. This makes it much easier to adapt and update building geometry as a project moves from SD through to construction. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">While EP3 is primarily uses EnergyPlus as a simulation engine, we can also create eQuest geometry, constructions, schedules and internal loads. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Karen</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 25, 2025, 22:51 Chris Yates via Bldg-sim <<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi Gurneet,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">There are many formats and geometry paradigms (E+ has several ways of defining geometry). Some paradigms are based on simple collections of 3d polylines, whilst others are a bit more “parametric” and therefore predicated on some limitations (such as a single planar nGon defining the floor).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">IES<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Commercially, I can only speak of how I hack geometry into my tool of choice – IES VE. I’ve not found gbXML or IFC import very reliable to import into IES. However, there’s a function called constructDXF that is very good at extruding 2D cad plans into a 3d model. The cad plans have to be super-clean, but I don’t mind this because I’m very happy working in CAD. You need to create a stick drawing presenting watertight zones. Each zone has a line of Dtext in the middle representing the zone name. It’s a bit archaic and it’s generally not what they teach you on the training course! I think constructDXF has been part of the software for almost 30 years!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I believe the underlying geometry paradigm is 3d polylines. A “gem” (geometry) file can be exported out of IES in ascii text format. The format of this is definitely 3d polys.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">IDA ICE<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I also have some experience with IDA ICE. This tends to do a fairly decent job of importing IFC files, as long as the zones are valid (good luck with your architect). The zone definition appears to be more on the “parametric” side with IDA – a typical zone is prismatic but features such as a clipped roof can be applied. Max Tillberg at Equa has worked on a number of workflows to get geometry into IDA apart from using IFC. From what I understand, he’s had a degree of success using Rhino, Revit, Speckle, and even the open-source tool, Blender.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I hope that this helps.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Kind regards<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Chris <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Bldg-sim <<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gurneet Singh via Bldg-sim<br><b>Sent:</b> 25 September 2025 10:15<br><b>To:</b> bldg-sim <<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Streamlining CAD-to-Building Simulation Workflows<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p>Hi all,<u></u><u></u></p><p>We’ve been exploring ways to reduce manual effort in transferring geometry from CAD into building simulation formats like eQuest, gbXML, and others. In our recent work, we developed a plugin that facilitates this process by converting CAD lines directly into multiple simulation-ready formats (eQuest, GBXML, HAP, Rhino), aiming to save time and minimize errors.<u></u><u></u></p><p>I’d be very interested in feedback from this group on workflow improvements or challenges you’ve encountered when moving from CAD to simulation formats—especially regarding geometry accuracy and interoperability.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,102,0);background:white">Gurneet Singh</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,102,0)">Director</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(136,136,136)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(136,136,136)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,102,0)">Environmental Design Solutions Pvt. 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