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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link="#467886" vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Jeff,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This is food for thought. We’re reviewing a naturally ventilated (free running) building that has summer comfort issues. The scope is purely overheating which is <u>bad</u> for about two weeks of the year – no energy analysis. We’ll probably simulate about 1 month maximum.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>We can’t hope to establish all of the known unknowns (e.g., glazing performance, local heat island effects). It will be more of an “informative” piece of work, but I’m hoping it will result in some iterations with improved inputs. All the same, I think we need to carefully manage the client’s expectations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Haberl, Jeff <jhaberl@tamu.edu> <br><b>Sent:</b> 22 July 2025 16:04<br><b>To:</b> bldg-sim@onebuilding.org; chris.malcolm.yates@gmail.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] calibrated comfort modelling<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hello Chris:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Actually, you touch on a rather complicated topic, for several reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>First, many "calibrated building energy simulations" often use small periods of time (1 to 2 weeks) when they try to match the actual interior temperatures and the whole-building energy use. For example, the following studies tried to match indoor temps for selected periods and then looked at how the simulated whole-building energy use matched the actual energy use: (there's more available at <a href="https://esl.tamu.edu/">https://esl.tamu.edu/</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Norford, L., Socolow, R., Hsieh, E. Spadaro, J. "Two-to-one discrepancy between measured and predicted performance of a 'low-energy'office building: insights from a reconciliation based on the DOE-2 model", Energy and buildings, 1994 - Elsevier<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Kim, C., Haberl, J. 2023. “Impact of Thermal Zone Modeling on a Small Office Building With All-electric HVAC Systems in Hot-humid and Cold-humid climates, Science and Technology for the Built Environment (December).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Oh, S., Baltazar, J.C., Haberl, J. 2020. “Analysis of zone-by-zone indoor environmental conditions and electricity savings from the use of a smart thermostat: A residential case study”, Science and Technology for the Built Environment, Vol. 26, No. 3, ESL-PA-20-03-02 (March).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Zhao, X. 2025 “Development of Simplified Building Energy Simulation Models for Atrium Buildings to be Used for Urban-Scale Building Energy Models (UBEM)”, PhD Thesis, Department of Architecture, Texas A&M University, December.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Jung, S. 2020 “Analysis of Residential Building Energy Code Compliance for New and Existing Buildings Based on Building Energy Simulation”, PhD Thesis, Department of Architecture, Texas A&M University, December.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Kootin-Sanwu, V. 2004 “Development of Energy Efficient Housing for Low-Income Families,” PhD Thesis, Department of Architecture,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Texas A&M University, May.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Problem is that doing this for a whole year can be overwhelmingly problematic since there are often occupants in the building who are unpredictable. Also, often getting multizone temps to match, does not always help matching the whole building energy use, and vice-versa. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>In addition, in residential, single family, the concrete slab under the building plays a big role in the heating/cooling, showing up more like seasonality. In many cases, slab temperature is not measured, or even simulated very well.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>In several studies indoor temps were regressed against outside temps to create a statistical relationship. Then the equation was used to predict the indoor temps for the whole year. A lot of work.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Finally, in all cases you need to have nearby or on-site hourly weather measurements, including temp, humidity, solar, wind speed which is very time consuming if you don't have a nearby feed to tap into. Also, calibration of these sensors is non-trivial.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>At best we've used the term "two way" calibration, to indicate some effort to match indoor temps and whole-building energy use. This quickly becomes 3,4,5-way calibrations when you try to match other indoor conditions, like humidity, HVAC cycling (which you can see using high frequency data), slab temps, natural ventilation, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>So, to sum it up...its complicated...and an endless source of thesis material.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=Signature><p class=elementtoproof><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jeff S. Haberl, Ph.D., P.E.inactive, FASHRAE, FIBPSA <i>We are like fluttering leaves on the branches of trees</i></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=elementtoproof><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Liz & Nelson Mitchell Professor in Residential Design <i>in the forest of the landscape that surrounds us.</i></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=elementtoproof><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Department of Architecture <i>If we could, for just a moment, flutter together,</i> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=elementtoproof><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Texas A&M University <i>we could lift the earth up to be a better place. 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Calibrated *energy* modelling is (relatively) well understood. However, can anybody point to any work in calibrated *comfort* simulation – academic or otherwise. The only work I’m aware of is based on overheating<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #90A4AE 3.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;display:block!important;text-align:left!important;margin:0px!important;padding:16px!important;border-radius:4px!important;min-width:200px!important;background-color:#D0D8DC!important;border-top:#90a4ae!important' id="x_pfptBannerutypkme"><div id="x_pfptBannerutypkme"><div id="x_pfptBannerutypkme"><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt;background:#D0D8DC'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This Message Is >From an External Sender <o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div id="x_pfptBannerutypkme"><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt;background:#D0D8DC'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This message came from outside your organization. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#D0D8DC'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal>Hello bldg-sim’rs!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>Calibrated *<b>energy</b>* modelling is (relatively) well understood. However, can anybody point to any work in calibrated *<b>comfort</b>* simulation – academic or otherwise.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>The only work I’m aware of is based on overheating in residential dwellings in the UK by Dr Ben Roberts of Loughborough University <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0143624419847349__;!!KwNVnqRv!EO5sd_mm8OpR9qOHCZ_4LnmcMUN7KRXRCovgsm-U8LxFIsUmGohkuFxiCKHYDoFGcxS2O1ME9Y5tvtuqLWNYQCGXowY$">https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0143624419847349</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>Is anybody aware of any other work done out there?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>