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I agree that Systems 9 & 10 are inappropriate. I suspect that there is a natural ventilation cooling scheme, since it's unlikely that a multi-family building will have "nothing" for cooling.</div>
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If that's true, you <u>do</u> have a cooling system, it's just not a mechanical system. The Baseline system would then be System #1 or #2 and your challenge for the Proposed system will be to demonstrate that it maintains proper control of temperatures and
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ps, You do not need to maintain typical temperature setpoints for, say an enclosed shopping center. If the owner agrees that 30C is acceptable as a cooling setpoint, then model that. </div>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Heated Only Residential Zones in 90.1 Appendix G</font>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>This has been bogging us for a while, as we cannot figure out how to interpret the various issues in ASHRAE 90.1.</p>
<p>If in a multifamily building the residential units are only heated but not cooled in the actual design (climate is North Europe), how does the baseline get modeled? I suppose Systems #9 and #10 (Heating Only) would be out of the question as these are intended
for ancillary spaces. So it would have to be System #1 or #2, but with cooling as well?<br>
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<p>More importantly, would the Proposed residential units be modeled with additional cooling using identical systems as in Baseline?</p>
<p>Thank you in advance,</p>
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