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    Chris - Sure, go right ahead and write a joint article for CIBSE and
    ASHRAE.<br>
    <br>
    I know ASHRAE is working on interviewing those with a long-time
    perspective (old-timers) to document early ASHRAE work.<br>
    Jeff H - anything related to weather data happening in the history
    effort? Maybe some members of the weather data TC would contribute.<br>
    <br>
    Linda - Does the forward of Engineering Weather Data have any
    mention of the motivation for that data? Is that where the concept
    of using 99% etc. was first used?<br>
    <br>
    Anyone out there have a copy of the Fluor Products publication? It
    was cited as the source of the US design data in the 1972 HOF.<br>
    Evaluated Weather Data For Cooling Equipment Design, Addendum No. 1,
    Summer and Winter Data (Fluor Products Company, Santa Rosa, Calif.,
    1964).<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/6/2019 8:30 AM, Linda Lawrie
      wrote:<br>
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      <font size="3">I have a copy of the Engineering Weather Data
        document (1978
        version).  (Thanks, Bob H).  <br>
        <br>
        And many other historical "weather data" documents though not
        sure how many discuss heating/cooling design data.<br>
        <br>
        Linda<br>
        <br>
        At 04:32 AM 6/6/2019, Chris Yates via Bldg-sim wrote:<br>
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      <blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite=""><font size="3">Wow.
          You know what Michael. I
          think you have the makings of an ASHRAE journal atricle! I
          want to do
          something similar for CIBSE. I'd love to use your findings. <br>
          On 5 Jun 2019 23:21, "Michael J Witte via Bldg-sim"
          <<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
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            bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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          <dd>I haven't seen a reply yet to this, so here goes . . .<br>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>The oldest ASHRAE handbook on my shelf is a 1972 HOF
            (thanks Bob
            H.!). Chapter 33 is Weather Data and Design Conditions. The
            reference
            list includes these two primary sources:<br>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>Evaluated Weather Data For Cooling Equipment Design,
            Addendum No. 1,
            Summer and Winter Data (Fluor Products Company, Santa Rosa,
            Calif.,
            1964).<br>
          </dd>
          <dd>and<br>
          </dd>
          <dd>Engineering Weather Data (Army, Navy, and Air Force Manual
            TM 5-785,
            1963).<br>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>You can buy a copy of the 1958 edition of Evaluated
            Weather Data on
            amazon<br>
          </dd>
          <dd>
            <a
href="https://www.amazon.com/Evaluated-Weather-Cooling-Equipment-Design/dp/B000HDSNFY"
              moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.amazon.com/Evaluated-Weather-Cooling-Equipment-Design/dp/B000HDSNFY</a>
            <br>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>I bet someone out there has a copy of the Engineering
            Weather Data
            manual on a shelf. Some quick searching leads to this later
            online
            version.<br>
          </dd>
          <dd>
            <a
href="http://web.utk.edu/~archinfo/EcoDesign/escurriculum/weather_data/weather_data_summ.html"
              moz-do-not-send="true">
http://web.utk.edu/~archinfo/EcoDesign/escurriculum/weather_data/weather_data_summ.html</a>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>which says:<br>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>"The Engineering Weather Data (EWD) and other products
            were
            developed by the Air Force Combat Climatology Center
            (AFCCC). Data is
            provided for approximately 800 stations worldwide. Intended
            to support
            design and construction of DOD facilities, the format is
            slanted toward
            professional engineers, but could have numerous other uses.
            "<br>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>Searching AFCCC leads here to a fascinating history.<br>
          </dd>
          <dd><a
              href="https://www.airweaassn.org/Library/afwa/history.html"
              moz-do-not-send="true">
              https://www.airweaassn.org/Library/afwa/history.html</a><br>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>"The mission of AFCCC is one of military applied
            climatology. We
            collect, maintain, and apply worldwide weather data,
            creating
            climatological products to strengthen the combat capability
            of America's
            warfighters. AFCCC's support to America's warfighters has a
            long
            history."<br>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>And a fitting excerpt on the 75th anniversary of D-Day:<br>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>"There was probably no WWII operation, major or minor,
            that did
            not include climatological input. The planning for every
            landing,
            mission, and offensive, including the D-Day invasion in 1944
            and the
            atomic bombing of Japan, required extensive climatological
            preparation
            and analyses."<br>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>So, Chris, your impression appears correct. Weather data
            statistics
            were motivated by military requirements (for better or
            worse), and
            marketing cooling equipment.<br>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>Mike<br>
            <br>
          </dd>
          <dd>p.s. The pages from the 1972 HOF are included in a
            digitized NBSLD
            manual (one of the great mother programs of building
            simulation), pdf p.
            287ff.<br>
          </dd>
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          <dd>On 5/20/2019 4:16 AM, Chris Yates via Bldg-sim wrote:<br>
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              <dd>Hi All <br>
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              <dd>Does anybody have any interesting background on the
                sources of (and
                motivations for calculating) the outdoor design
                conditions now available
                in ASHRAE HOF?<br>
                <br>
              </dd>
              <dd>My impression is that it was possibly derived for the
                purposes of
                keeping B52's and allied v-bombers ready for action at a
                moment's
                notice.<br>
                <br>
              </dd>
              <dd>Cheers<br>
                <br>
              </dd>
              <dd>Chris<br>
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