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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi David,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks for your comments, much appreciated.  I agree that WLHP systems are somewhere in between 1 and 2 and the baseline should realistically utilize some kind of central heating and/or cooling system.  Based on my recent reply to Chris, I’m going to go with the same system you suggest - PTHP with electric resistance auxiliary heat.  I’ll post up a reply if I learn anything more definitive.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Aaron<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-element-top:.05pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 hspace=0 vspace=0 align=left><tr><td valign=top align=left style='padding-top:0cm;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-element-top:.05pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Aaron Smith,</span></b><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:navy'> </span></b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray'>P.Eng<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-element-top:.05pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray'>Principal, Mechanical Engineer</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-element-top:.05pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray'>LEED® AP BD+C, BEMP, BEAP, CGD</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-element-top:.05pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><i><span style='font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p></div></td></tr></div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray'>M&R Engineering Ltd.</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> David Eldridge [mailto:DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> February-18-19 5:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> Aaron Smith <asmith@mreng.ca>; 'Chris Hadlock' <cjhadlock@gmail.com>; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] NECB - MURB Reference Heating Type<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>One of the interesting aspects of this is the link to unitary products for instance would include certifications for water-cooled equipment consistent with a WLHP system as you mentioned Aaron – if the code just said “unitary” it would be clear - it’s only that the Table 8 reference uses the word “air-cooled” instead of applying to all unitary equipment so that a WLHP system seems to be left out of the matrix.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Central CHW & HW w/ FCU – use identical<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Air-cooled unitary – use identical<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>PTHP – use identical<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Other – use through-the-wall baseline<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>It’s strange to me that the WLHP option which I’d consider to be “in the middle” of the options above as sort of an option 1.5 is excluded and then you are left in “through-the-wall unit purgatory” where the baseline system is partially defined. i.e. if the fully applied system with boilers, chillers, and FCU is on one edge of the range and PTHP are on the other end of the range, why wouldn’t WLHP fit in there?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>That said, it seems to be how it reads. So to your question, you mentioned 8.4.4.9.4 and that your sample compliance building used air-to-air heat pumps with electric resistance heat, which makes sense that a TTW unit in practice is going to be heat pump and/or electric resistance heat. A furnace option would not be part of a TTW unit either. If the baseline is supposed to make sense that is – I think an argument could be made that on an annual basis the WLHP system takes primary heat from the boiler more than the compressors for cold climates, but I’m not an expert in NECB so you’d be best positioned to comment there whether it calls for a hybrid system or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>It would be pretty contrived to have a baseline that used an air-to-air heat pump as primary and then had auxiliary hot water – in practice any building that went to the trouble to add the hot water system’s cost would tend to use it as the primary system. The combo that makes practical sense is for the auxiliary heat to be electric resistance.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>David<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>David S. Eldridge, Jr.</span></b><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#244061'>, P</span></b><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-fa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LHP but based on AHRI definitions I think a WHLP is pretty clearly not:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>an “<a href="http://www.ahrinet.org/Certification/AHRI-Certification-Programs/Unitary-Air-Conditioner-Equipment">air-cooled unitary</a>” product,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>a <a href="http://www.ahrinet.org/Certification/AHRI-Certification-Programs/Packaged-Terminal-Air-Conditioners">packaged terminal air conditioner</a> or <a href="http://www.ahrinet.org/Certification/AHRI-Certification-Programs/Packaged-Terminal-Heat-Pumps">heat pump</a>, or<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>c.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>a fan coil.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>A WLHP is water-cooled unitary product.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If they simply said “unitary” or “air-cooled or water-cooled unitary” then it would makes sense to me that you model an identical system but they specifically state “air-cooled unitary”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Aaron<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-element-top:.05pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 hspace=0 vspace=0 align=left><tr><td valign=top align=left style='padding-top:0cm;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-element-top:.05pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Aaron Smith,</span></b><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:navy'> </span></b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray'>P.Eng<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-element-top:.05pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray'>Principal, Mechanical Engineer</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-element-top:.05pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray'>LEED® AP BD+C, BEMP, BEAP, CGD</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-element:frame;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-element-top:.05pt;mso-height-rule:exactly'><i><span style='font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p></td></tr></table></div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray'>M&R Engineering Ltd.</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Chris Hadlock [<a href="mailto:cjhadlock@gmail.com">mailto:cjhadlock@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> February-18-19 11:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> Aaron Smith <<a href="mailto:asmith@mreng.ca">asmith@mreng.ca</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] NECB - MURB Reference Heating Type<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Aaron,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The way I would interpret it is the Reference system will be identical to your Proposed system (i.e. WLHP connected to fossil fuel boiler). If you had a air-source, water-source (i.e. river, lake) or ground-source, then you would have to worry about auxiliary heating (per Section 8.4.4.13.2). The "through-the-wall" system only applies in the otherwise case (i.e. when your system is not one of the ones listed). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is my interpretation - I'd be interested to hear others.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 10:10 PM Aaron Smith via Bldg-sim <<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’ve got a question about the NECB Reference Building heating system type for Multi-Unit Residential Buildings.  Specifically what should it be when you have water-loop heat pumps connected to a fossil fuel boiler?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Table 8.4.4.7.-A of the 2015 NECB states that Reference Building HVAC systems for Multi-Unit Residential areas are:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>“Where the proposed building or space is heated as well as being cooled with an air-cooled unitary, packaged terminal or room air conditioner (or heat pumps), or fan coils, the reference building or space's HVAC system shall be modeled as being identical to that of the proposed building or space; otherwise, the reference building or space shall use through-the-wall systems.”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’d consider water-loop heat pumps to be in the “through-the-wall systems” category so the cooling would be air-cooled DX.  It doesn’t describe the heating source for “through-the-wall systems” but 8.4.4.9.4 says that the energy type of the reference building’s heating system shall be identical to the energy type of the proposed building’s heating system.  The code considers heat pump to be an energy type so I think it should be an air-source heat pump.  I’m just not sure about the auxiliary heat – electric resistance or hot water?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I tried running this in CAN-QUEST but got some errors.  When I run a 4-storey office building with WLHP, the reference building is coming out as air-source heat pump with electric resistance heat so I’m leaning toward using that.  I can see there being an argument for hot water auxiliary heat though based on the proposed building having a fuel-fired boiler (to avoid fuel switching).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Aaron<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=left><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'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