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    <p>Nick,</p>
    <p>Nice to read your comments.  The reason I'm skeptical of attempts
      to unilaterally weed out extreme events from "typical year" data
      is that our definition of what comprises an extreme event can
      change over time.   If we are to believe the scientific consensus
      on climate change, extreme events would be more frequent and
      longer lasting in the future.  If the frequency gets high enough
      so that there's one extreme event a month - not necessarily a
      hurricane but rather a tropical storm or heat wave - then
      shouldn't such an event be reflected in the "typical year" weather
      file?  I'd like to see the "typical year" methodology modified
      from producing the most typical weather of the past X number of
      years, to what would be  the the most likely typical weather for
      the future.<br>
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    <p>Joe<br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="90">Joe Huang
White Box Technologies, Inc.
346 Rheem Blvd., Suite 205A
Moraga CA 94556
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com">yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://weather.whiteboxtechnologies.com">http://weather.whiteboxtechnologies.com</a> for simulation-ready weather data
(o) (925)388-0265
(c) (510)928-2683
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/17/2018 12:24 PM, Nicholas Caton
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        <p class="MsoNormal">To layer on to and supplement Joe’s
          response,  I think another neat factoid to consider is that
          while the TMY protocol generally does not exclude any specific
          months on the merits of “extreme” weather/climate events
          (which is good and rigorous from a statistical viewpoint),
          there were two historical volcanic events that have caused
          specific periods to be excluded from files in the NREL TMY3
          set:  The eruptions of El Chichón, Mexico in 1982 and Mt.
          Pinatubo, Philippines in 1991. 
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">These events had substantial effects in
          reducing solar radiation measured in the United States due to
          aerosols pushed into the atmosphere, and as a result there are
          a net of ~6 years pulled out of the historical record to
          exclude periods following those events, for the purpose of
          establishing the months of data considered for the TMY
          “pools.”<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">A fun (?) takeaway is that when the next
          major volcanic event occurs, we as a community are going to
          have a lot to talk about in considering the merits and
          application of the established TMY protocol against some other
          approach to incorporate the weather measurements on record for
          those excluded periods!<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">~Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3A7A46">Nick
                Caton, P.E., BEMP</span></b><span style="color:#3A7A46"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Bldg-sim
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"><bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org></a>
              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Huang via Bldg-sim<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 16, 2018 12:20 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Linda Lawrie <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:linda@fortlawrie.com"><linda@fortlawrie.com></a><br>
              <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bldg-sim@onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@onebuilding.org</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Tracking Hurricane Florence
              through the Wilmington weather file<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p><span style="color:red">[External email: Use caution with
            links and attachments]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Larry, Linda, others,<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Average daily wind speed has always
              been one of the parameters used to select "typical months"
              in the TMY methodology used by NREL that others like me
              have followed to create the IWEC2s, etc. Its weight,
              however, is low compared to the cumulative weights for
              temperature (average, max, min dry-bulb), humidity
              (average, max, min dewpoint), and solar ( average global
              horizontal and sometimes also direct normal irradiance).
              The other thing to consider is that the TMY methodology
              does not exclude any month due to outliers, but looks at
              the difference in the cumulative distribution of these
              daily parameters to the long-term distribution, and picks
              that month with the best correspondence of CFDs. Thus, it
              is possible that a month with an extreme event might still
              be selected, but the fact that a hurricane affects all 8
              or 9 parameters and can extend over several days makes it
              unlikely. On the other hand, if the statistics were to
              pick a month with a hurricane, is that really a problem?
              One of the things I like about the TMY methodology is that
              it aims to pick a month with the most representative
              distribution of conditions, not the blandest month with no
              peaks and valleys.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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              On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Linda Lawrie via Bldg-sim
              <<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  style="font-size:12.0pt">Larry,<br>
                  <br>
                  Wind Speed is not usually one of the items for
                  selection of TMYs but one would hope that other
                  factors might disregard those events/months.<br>
                  <br>
                  Linda</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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