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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">BLDG-SIM had said this post was too
large, so I'm resending it with the picture size reduced.<br>
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On 7/19/2018 10:50 AM, Joe Huang via Bldg-sim wrote:<br>
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<p>Roel,</p>
<p>I have the following concerns about the approach you seem to be
taking to define terrain-parameters for wind-driven rain:</p>
<p>(1) you are still basing your investigation on a rather
simplistic model to derive wind-driven rain from the reported
rain fall and wind speed, i.e., do you know how reliable is that
model?</p>
<p>(2) for these types of correlations, you might want to use wind
speeds at a much finer time resolution, since what's reported at
the standard weather stations are random snapshots at an hourly
or half-hourly time step. You could consider using data from
Personal Weather Stations (PWS), that are typically at the 5
minute interval and many also have an additional channel for
gusts. Such weather data, i.e., 5-minute data in urban or
suburban areas, are currently available for tens of thousands of
PWS, especially in North America and the UK, on web sites such
as Weather Underground (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.wunderground.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.wunderground.com</a>).
One caveat would be to know the placement of the PWS, which tend
to be on rooftops (the problem is worse for official weather
stations that are supposed to be at 10 m above the ground). If
you're interested in the WU weather data, let me know via
e-mail.</p>
<p>I would not recommend using New York Central Park, or at least
you should compare the results to that from some other place
that's less atypical. The Central Park weather station is
located at the Belvedere (see attached map), which is an
isolated building in the middle of a large urban park that is in
turn surrounded by tall buildings and adjacent to some of the
tallest buildings in the world. </p>
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<p>Yes, I'm aware that the terminal velocity of raindrops varies
with their size. However, I ignored that factor because any
error due to using a constant value would be small compared to
all the other assumptions of the model and besides, I don't
think raindrop size is recorded in any weather data.</p>
<p>Joe<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/2018 7:30 AM, Roel Tersteeg
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Joe, Julien,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the extensive replies and
your suggestions. <o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The rainfall above an area is not very
different between airfield and urban areas, but due to the
buildings and trees that may shelter locations in build-up
areas this can cause lower rainfall in those locations. As
you mentioned the wind will be altered in a more significant
way. One thing I would like to do is actually (re)define
‘terrain parameters’ for wind driven rain. A single number,
such as in your example, hides the actual uncertainty behind
that number. And for that I would like to find measured
data, the location of which doesn’t matter that much.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The usage of weather stations for the
purpose I am looking for is usually not an option as the
location of weather stations is such that buildings and
trees around the site don’t have an effect on the
measurements (typically > 100 m around the site free of
obstructions). For the model I am trying to build, the
(uncertainty in the) effect of trees and buildings on rain
and wind is exactly what I try to model. If you know of
weather stations on such sites, I would be grateful if you
could help me with that. I will also have a look at the
weather stations in central park and see if they can help
me.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As for the calculation presented, there
are several methods (e.g. ISO15927, ASHRAE standard 55) and
they mostly have the form of
Rainfall*Wind_speed*cos(Wind_direction-Wall_normal), with
possibly some factors. There is a bit more explanation in
Climatological note 3 from Met Eireann, from which note 13
is an update, how they calculated the map.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As a site-note: the velocity of raindrops
is dependent on the size of the droplet with larger drops
having a higher speed (terminal velocity) that smaller ones.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Roel Tersteeg MSc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:gray">PhD-student <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:gray">Building Energy
Research Group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:gray">School of
Architecture, Building and Civil Engineering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:gray">Loughborough
University<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:gray">T: +44 77 56 10
90 54<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:gray">E: </span><a
href="mailto:R.M.Tersteeg@lboro.ac.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:gray">R.M.Tersteeg@lboro.ac.uk</span></a><span
style="color:gray"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Julien Marrec <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:julien.marrec@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><julien.marrec@gmail.com></a>
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<b>Sent:</b> 19 July 2018 13:26<br>
<b>To:</b> Joe Huang <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Roel Tersteeg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:R.M.Tersteeg@lboro.ac.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true"><R.M.Tersteeg@lboro.ac.uk></a>;
Luis Miguel Blanes Restoy <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:lmblanes@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><lmblanes@gmail.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Wind driven rain data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">FYI, I can think of at least one
location where you'd find probably good quality weather
data in a <b><u>big </u>urban center and not at an
airport: Central Park, New York City, USA</b>, though
it's in a quite large park but there are tall buildings
all around it, see <a
href="https://www.google.com/maps/place/40%C2%B046%2744.4%22N+73%C2%B058%2708.4%22W/@40.7787947,-73.9765413,15.5z/data=%214m5%213m4%211s0x0:0x0%218m2%213d40.779%214d-73.969"
moz-do-not-send="true"> map</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Note that in NOAA there's a weird
thing going on where you have 4 stations with different
operating dates, one did 1943 to 2010, another 2010 to
2012 or so, and another started after that (I know I
said there are four: one did 17 days in august 2010 but
overlapped another running one). Here are the USAF-WBAN
codes for the two most interesting:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">725053-94728 #CENTRAL PARK (2012 to
today)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">725060-94728 #NEW YORK CENTRAL PARK
(2010 to 2012)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This data is free and can be accessed
at NOAA's ISD (see <a
href="https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/isd/data-access"
moz-do-not-send="true"> here</a>)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I looked at France's stations in the
NOAA database too, since I have a better clue of where
things actually are, and it seems that there are a bunch
that aren't at an airport, but there are all in seaside
towns, so that is probably not what you're looking
for...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here are some stations you'll perhaps
want to look at, I'm including the three airports around
central park too if you want to compare the data. Don't
mind the fact that the 'END" date is last year, I just
haven't refreshed this file since September 2017<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">LA
ROCHELLE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">FR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom"> <br>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom"> <br>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">46.15<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-1.15<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">10<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">19290801<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">20170902<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">YES<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr style="height:15.0pt">
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">76410<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">99999<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">SETE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">FR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom"> <br>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom"> <br>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">43.4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">3.7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">81<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">19360615<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">20170902<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">YES<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr style="height:15.0pt">
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">76950<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">99999<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">CAP
FERRAT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">FR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom"> <br>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom"> <br>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">43.683<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">7.333<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">144<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">19730101<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">20100412<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">YES<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr style="height:15.0pt">
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">725030<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">14732<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">LA
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</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">US<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">NY<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">KLGA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">40.779<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-73.88<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">3.4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">19730101<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">20170904<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">YES<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr style="height:15.0pt">
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">725033<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">94728<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">NYC
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</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">US<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">NY<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">KNYC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">40.779<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-73.969<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">47.5<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">19431201<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">20100731<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">YES<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr style="height:15.0pt">
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
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valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">725033<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
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valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">99999<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">NEW
YORK CITY CENTRAL PARK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
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valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">US<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">NY<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom"> <br>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
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valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">40.767<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
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valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-73.983<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">27<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">20100801<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">20100817<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">YES<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr style="height:15.0pt">
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
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valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">725053<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">94728<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
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valign="bottom">
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style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">CENTRAL
PARK<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">US<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">NY<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">KNYC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">40.779<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
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valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-73.969<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
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valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">42.7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">20120801<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">20170904<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
.75pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="nowrap"
valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">YES<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr style="height:15.0pt">
<td style="padding:.75pt .75pt 0cm
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valign="bottom">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
align="right"><span
style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">725060<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL">2018-07-19 3:55
GMT+02:00 Joe Huang via Bldg-sim <</span><a
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="NL">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</span></a><span
lang="NL">>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Roel,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I'm not an expert in this field of liquid
precipitation, but here are my thoughts in response
to your comments:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>1) I'm not aware of drastic differences in rainfall
between the airport and more urban areas of a city.
However, there are noticeable differences in wind
speeds for which, in the absence of measured data,
are accounted for in building energy modeling by
TERRAIN-PARAMETERs dependent on the general site
description, e.g., 1.00 for flat terrain such as an
airport, 0.85 for rural, 0.67 for urban or forest,
and 0.47 for urban centers with tall building, and
the height difference between the measured data and
the site. if you're having difficulty in finding
either measured wind speed or driving rain data
(good luck!), I would suggest you just use the
airport data and adjust that with a Terrain
Parameter.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>2) If you insist on getting rain and wind speed
data for a suburban location, I'm sure those can be
found among the 8,000+ weather stations for which I
have hourly weather data, but the locations would be
anywhere in the world. Do you care where is the
location? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>3) The Met Eirerann paper describes a driving rain
index, but does not provide the equation. In
thinking about it again (note that I've only thought
about this after reading your original query), I
think a plausible approach would be:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> a. find the approximate downward velocity of
falling rain (a quick web search for "How fast do
raindrops fall" gave the answer of 10 m/sec)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> b. divide that by the (adjusted) wind speed to
get the fraction that would fall on a vertical
surface, i.e., driving rain.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> c. multiply the "driving rain fraction" by the
reported rain fall to get the amount of driving
rain.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> c. use the wind direction to apportion the
driving rain by the wall orientation. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>It's still not clear to me what is the primary
motivation for your investigation. Is it to
determine the amount of driving rain at a particular
location or weather file? to validate the method to
calculate driving rain? Or to just get a handle on
how much driving rain is there ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Joe<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Joe Huang<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>White Box Technologies, Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>346 Rheem Blvd., Suite 205A<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Moraga CA 94556<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 7/18/2018 5:43 AM, Roel
Tersteeg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear
Joe and Luis,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank
you for your replies to my question and
apologies for my very late reply to you
both. Unfortunately the data from official,
synoptic weather stations is airfield data
and thus not applicable to my situation as
there is no difference in microclimate (no
changes in wind or rainfall due to
surrounding building). The same goes for the
Met Eireann information (if of interest, the
Climatological notes 13 and 3 about wind
driven rain can also be found and downloaded
here as well: <a
href="https://www.met.ie/education/publications/climatological-notes"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.met.ie/education/publications/climatological-notes</a>)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
am looking specific for wind driven rain
data, or indeed combined wind and
precipitation data that can be converted to
wind driven rain, for different (sub)urban
settings. The suggestion for looking at
‘personal weather stations’ is very
interesting, although this has the issue of
uncertainty about the quality of the
measurements.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Kind
regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Roel
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Luis Miguel Blanes Restoy </span><a
href="mailto:lmblanes@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
lang="EN-US"><lmblanes@gmail.com></span></a><span
lang="EN-US"> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 06 July 2018 14:34<br>
<b>To:</b> Joe Huang </span><a
href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
lang="EN-US"><yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com></span></a><span
lang="EN-US"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
lang="EN-US">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Wind driven
rain data</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Joe<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Try
this link<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href="https://es.scribd.com/document/346851908/MET-Driving-Rain-Index-IRELAND#close_user_settings_menu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://es.scribd.com/document/346851908/MET-Driving-Rain-Index-IRELAND#close_user_settings_menu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Luis<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
Thu 5 Jul 2018, 04:28 Joe Huang, <<a
href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Luis,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thanks for the tip. I went to the
link, which by the way is for the
Irish Meteorological Service, and
read that it said, "<span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#434343;background:white">The
amount of rain received by a wall
correlates fairly well with the
product of rainfall and the
component of the wind speed normal
to the wall. This led Lacy and
Shellard to propose the product of
the mean annual rainfall and the
mean annual wind speed as a driving
rain index which is proportional to
the total rainfall driven in one
year on to a vertical surface always
facing the wind", which is
functionally quite close to what I
was envisioning, i.e., WDR = LP *
f(wspd, wdir), where LP is Liquid
Precipitation or Rainfall. However,
when I clicked on the link to the
actual paper cited, the Meteireann
web site responded that "404: Page
not found". Therefore, I still
don't know the function that
converts LP or rainfall to WDR.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#434343;background:white">Joe</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Joe Huang<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>White Box Technologies, Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>346 Rheem Blvd., Suite 205A<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Moraga CA 94556<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="http://weather.whiteboxtechnologies.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://weather.whiteboxtechnologies.com</a> for simulation-ready weather data<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>(o) (925)388-0265<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>(c) (510)928-2683<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>"building energy simulations at your fingertips"<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
7/4/2018 2:30 PM, Luis Miguel Blanes
Restoy wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi
Roel and Joe<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Did
you look at available data from
Met Eireann? There is a paper
regarding WDR index calculation
method that may be of your
interest. See below link.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href="https://www.met.ie/climate/what-we-measure/rainfall"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.met.ie/climate/what-we-measure/rainfall#</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Luis<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
Wed 4 Jul 2018, 22:12 Joe
Huang via Bldg-sim, <<a
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>What is your definition
for Wind-driven Rain?
Practically all weather
station reports, including
official stations
available in NOAA's ISD as
well as unofficial
"Personal Weather
Stations" hosted on
WeatherUnderground,
contain information on
liquid precipitation (LP),
wind speed, and wind
direction. Can the WDR be
calculated from these
standard parameters, maybe
as the LP * f(wspd, wdir)
?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Joe<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
7/4/2018 3:52 AM, Roel
Tersteeg via Bldg-sim
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear
all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For
the verification of a
model to estimate wind
driven rain (WDR) I
would like to use WDR
data from different
microclimates (rural,
(sub)urban). I have
access to several data
sets of free field or
airfield WDR
measurements from
different locations
and the results from a
measurement campaign
in Vancouver. To
better evaluate the
model I would like to
use measured data from
one or more locations
with different
microclimates, not
being free field or
airfield sites.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My
question is if someone
knows if measurements
are available of wind
driven rain in one or
more microclimates?<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Kind
regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Roel
Tersteeg MSc<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:gray">PhD-student
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:gray">Building
Energy Research
Group</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:gray">School
of Architecture,
Building and Civil
Engineering</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:gray">Loughborough
University</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:gray">T:
+44 77 56 10 90 54</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:gray">E:
</span><a
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