<div dir="auto">Thanks for the tip! <div dir="auto">Regards</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 6 mars 2018 19:13, "Nicholas Caton" <<a href="mailto:Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com">Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">WUFI is where I would head next also… but some cautionary advice to supplement:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tom is correct to suggest WUFI (or in generic terms of the top of my head “transient envelope dewpoint simulation”) is indeed a software/skillset that requires time investment
to pick up and utilize with accuracy. Before pursuing this (not-inexpensive) software and analysis skillset, I would generally advise strangers to first grow comfortable with executing the procedure and fully understanding the limitations of “normal” (steady-state)
dewpoint analysis (re: Chapter 27 of 2009 ASHRAE Fundamentals). <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Expending the time/effort for something like a proper WUFI analysis should follow being able to confidently assert a steady-state analysis will not do. I used to provide envelope
dewpoint analysis as an independent service to architects and MEP consultants, and while I could have used WUFI for every analysis it would have been overkill for most situations.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">All that said, Ibrahim if the only thing changing between the present and future state is the envelope construction, exterior weather conditions, and/or interior sensible/latent
load profiles… then I think WUFI could be an appropriate software to pursue calibrating a model to your existing-state measurements (developing a latent and sensible load profile which responds similarly to the existing envelope and measurement period weather),
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 06, 2018 7:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Ibrahim NEYA' <<a href="mailto:ibrahim.neyapro@gmail.com" target="_blank">ibrahim.neyapro@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><wbr>; Nicholas Caton <<a href="mailto:Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com" target="_blank">Nicholas.Caton@schneider-<wbr>electric.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] building indoor temperature and humidity prediction<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">You might want to look at WUFI or WUFI Passive. Links are below:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Based on the second link, it looks like training is an essential component of using this software properly.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To be more specific, I would like to <b>predict the indoor temperature and humidity when I<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I have already measured on-site indoor temperature and humidity.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thank you for your help<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Every building is obviously quite different, but I was involved with logging indoor and outdoor humidity levels in a new near-passive residence recently, and am posting the results
as an image (assuming that an image can be posted here). There was an extremely high correlation between average indoor and outdoor humidity levels in the month of Dec 2017 (look at slopes of the two values, which are both absolute humidity levels). There
is significantly less variability in the indoor levels than the outdoor levels. I guess this speaks to the ability of indoor components to absorb moisture and provide a dampening effect on the outdoor humidity variations.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 05, 2018 1:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ibrahim NEYA<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it’s an existing/built building, you’ll want to acquire a quantity of these to measure directly:
<a href="http://www.onsetcomp.com/products/data-loggers/ux100-003" target="_blank">
http://www.onsetcomp.com/<wbr>products/data-loggers/ux100-<wbr>003</a>. Very useful for objectively quantifying occupant comfort issues and operation/malfunctions of building or space-level humidity controls, which can then support energy savings/costs associated with
correcting those kinds of issues.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it’s a new building or else only on paper at the moment, any number of energy simulation software can report temperature and RH of airstreams at a system or zonal resolution.
eQuest/doe2 is among them, however I’m inclined to suggest/request you to be more specific about your purpose and end-goals, supplemented with any existing building simulation experience/skillsets. eQuest comes with a definite learning curve before it’s outputs
can be leveraged with confidence, and there might be software more purpose-built options appropriate to your task(s) at hand that I or others could suggest.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Bldg-sim [<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@<wbr>lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ibrahim NEYA via Bldg-sim<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 05, 2018 11:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] building indoor temperature and humidity prediction<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please, could someone help me to find a software that can predict the indoor temperature and humidity of a building?<u></u><u></u></p>
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