<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0000ff">Agreed! and it's not even his "day job"</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Julien MARREC via Bldg-sim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Jason,</div><div><br></div><div>Big thanks for this mailing list admin work you do for the benefit of the whole community!<br><br>Julien<br>Envoyé de mon iPhone</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>Le 9 mai 2017 à 20:17, Jason Glazer <<a href="mailto:jglazer@gard.com" target="_blank">jglazer@gard.com</a>> a écrit :<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<p><tt>Julien</tt></p>
<p><tt>Thanks for info on the Auto-Submitted: auto-replied. I added
a few additional "spam" filters to the BLDG-SIM and eQUEST-users
mailing lists to catch "out of office", "auto-replied" and "post
acknowledgment". <br>
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<p><tt>Hopefully this will cut down on the change of mail loops the
future.</tt></p>
<p><tt>Jason</tt><br>
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Seems like this specific user actually has `Auto-Submitted:
auto-replied` in its email header. It would be good to at
least include that check: If this header is present, and its
value is anything else than "no" (and maybe "<code>auto-forwarded"</code>
too to cover somewhat broken clients like Lotus Domino) then
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This header is specified in RFC 3834 (<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3834" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/r<wbr>fc3834</a>)
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This github wiki page is very interesting for going further: <a href="https://github.com/jpmckinney/multi_mail/wiki/Detecting-autoresponders" target="_blank">https://github.com/jpmckinney/<wbr>multi_mail/wiki/Detecting-auto<wbr>responders</a><br>
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<div><b>Worth noting that the real problem is the
mailbot/AutoResponder used to send the "Out of Office"
message that's broken/misconfigured in the first place</b>
and not respecting the most basic rules: check for
Auto-Submitted, Precedence and List-* headers before sending
an automated reply. Not sending multiple OOF replies to the
same recipient during the vacation (or at least not more
than once a day!) would also be a common courtesy...<br>
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<div>Cheers,<br>
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<div>Julien</div>
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I'd be happy to help checking the mailman settings
and/or implementing a check to ensure this happen
again (isn't it the second time this month or
something?).<br>
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Let me know what I can do to help!<br>
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Julien Marrec, EBCP, BPI MFBA<br>
Owner at <a href="http://www.effibem.com" target="_blank">EffiBEM</a><br>
T: <a href="tel:06%2095%2014%2042%2013" value="+33695144213" target="_blank">+33
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Jason Glazer via Bldg-sim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.or<wbr>g</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Sorry about this mail
loop. The user that set their vacation message
to send back to the mailing list has been set to
be moderated so the looping should be over. This
was the same person's away message that caused
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