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Hi Christopher and Nick,<br>
<br>
In terms of some more real world examples, we have been working on
an opaque materials database: <a
href="http://www.lighting-materials.com/"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.lighting-materials.com/">http://www.lighting-materials.com/</a></a>
The website is still a bit in progress, and we are still collecting
measurements, but the goal is to give realizable examples of
material reflectances, especially for unusual materials. And it
works right now!<br>
<br>
It is relatively easy to find blue colored materials by searching
via color. A quick ordinal diagram is below,<br>
<img alt="" src="cid:part2.04020309.07060107@jakubiec.net"
height="319" width="550"><br>
<br>
We have also measured several wood surfaces, which you can find by
searching by name for 'wood.' Hopefully this can also help to
bracket your material properties and define some proper R-G-B color
combinations for your scene. There are also a number of white wall
surfaces in the database. By clicking on any of the results, you get
more detailed information including the R-G-B primaries for a
physically-based Radiance material. There is some more information
about this undertaking in the second half of our <a
href="http://radiance-online.org/community/workshops/2015-philadelphia/presentations/day3/jakubiec-balakrishnan_materials.pdf">Radiance
workshop presentation</a> given last month in Philadelphia.<br>
<br>
I agree that defining specific textures and wood grains is painful
and difficult to make accurate. In my opinion the texture of the
carpet tiles and the wood surfaces can be ignored unless those
aspects will modify the light contribution significantly. By trying
to get this as correct as possible, you are already doing way more
than the average LEEDv4 lighting simulation, I am certain.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Alstan<br>
<br>
<small>J. Alstan Jakubiec <br>
Assistant Professor <br>
Architecture and Sustainable Design <br>
Singapore University of Technology and Design <br>
8 Somapah Road, Singapore 487372 <br>
telephone: +65 6499 4530, e-mail: <a
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<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/19/2015 4:32 AM, Jones,
Christopher wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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great Nick, thanks.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Jones,</span></b><b><span
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lang="EN-CA">WSP Canada Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">T +1 416-644-4226<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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Nicholas Caton [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ncaton@catonenergy.com">mailto:ncaton@catonenergy.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 18, 2015 3:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jones, Christopher;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] Radiance Materials
database<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Here’s
one good set of tables to start with – you’ll find google is
your friend to look up specific material/product
properties.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.uncg.edu/iar/elight/learn/determine/lc_sub/mat_prop.html"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.uncg.edu/iar/elight/learn/determine/lc_sub/mat_prop.html">http://www.uncg.edu/iar/elight/learn/determine/lc_sub/mat_prop.html</a></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">As
a general rule, I was taught for photometrics it’s
safe/conservative when actual finishes aren’t known to start
with reflectances of 80-50-20 for ceiling, wall, and floor
surfaces respectively. That’s representative of typical
white ceilings/tile, walls of light-to-medium colors, and
dark carpet/flooring.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Colored/textured
surfaces can be tricky to estimate. Sometimes it’s helpful
to switch an image or swatch of the color/pattern to
grayscale to help estimate where on a scale of 0 to 1 the
reflectance value should lie. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">It’s
also helpful to be aware of some real-world examples to set
boundaries:
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">-</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#002060">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Fresh
asphalt situates around 5% reflectance (0.05)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">-</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#002060">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Freshly
fallen snow reflectance is around 90% (0.90)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">-</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#002060">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Most
common building materials and finishes should situate
between those extremes</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">-</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#002060">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">White
suspended ceiling tiles in particular can range from ~75 to
90% reflectance, with higher values typically costing a
premium. Reflectance is commonly stated on spec sheets and
sometimes in architectural specifications (that goes for
most commercial paints as well).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">I
hope that helps!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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CATON, P.E.</span></b><span
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</span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#561782">Owner</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#561782">Caton
Energy Consulting</span></b><span
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</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
306 N Ferrel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Bldg-sim [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jones, Christopher<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:50 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Radiance Materials database</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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am looking for some example materials I can use in a
Radiance simulation for daylighting calculations for LEED
v4. The project is your typical open office concept with
half-height partitions between work stations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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partitions are a white, translucent material. The
workstations are a wood grain laminate, the walls are flat
off-white, the carpet tiles are a blue-gray color. I can
get the colors from photographs of the materials but I am
not sure how to estimate the reflectance. Also, I am not
sure of how to handle the texture of the carpet tiles.
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