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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">To build on Elizabeth’s response: </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">If the fixtures illuminating what could be classified as “nontradable” parking are also illuminating tradable surfaces (i.e. uncovered parking), it is to your advantage for a LEED model to treat all parking areas as uncovered. GBCI would have you match wattage for those areas between baseline/proposed cases, and you can’t “double-count” the area between surface types. The net result is that associated installed power is a “dead load” on your relative savings potential.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">If you are documenting installed lighting power to simply demonstrate compliance with 90.1-2010 however (outside of a LEED project), such non-tradable distinctions will generally help your case. I like to avoid more work than necessary however, and for a large exterior takeoff will usually run the numbers first without carving out nontradable surface distinctions. In my experience: unless you have a lot of façade lighting to account for, compliance can often be demonstrated with only tradable surface allowances, and you can then just call it a day and move on to the next thing.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">Best of luck!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">~Nick</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">NICK CATON, P.E.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><br></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#561782">Owner</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#561782"> </span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#561782">Caton Energy Consulting</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> 306 N Ferrel</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> Olathe, KS 66061</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> office: 785.410.3317</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#561782"><a href="www.catonenergy.com"><span style="color:#561782">www.catonenergy.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bldg-sim [mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Elizabeth Gillmor<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 06, 2015 4:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Julien.Dutel@mern.gouv.qc.ca">Julien.Dutel@mern.gouv.qc.ca</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] 90.1 - Exterior lighting parking</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">My interpretation is that yes, you can add it, but in most cases you probably don't want to. I would only dip into the non-tradable if you can't stay under your standard tradable parking allowance, since it would only hurt your savings otherwise. (Non-tradable must be modeled identically in baseline/proposed.)</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Elizabeth</p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>Elizabeth Gillmor </b><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt">PE, LC, LEED AP</span></b></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#38761d;background:white">e n e r g e t i c s </span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#38761d">consulting engineers, llc</span></b></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#666666;background:white"><a href="http://energetics-eng.com" target="_blank">energetics-eng.com</a></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#666666;background:white">c 303.619.0091</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">2015-08-06 14:57 GMT-06:00 <<a href="mailto:Julien.Dutel@mern.gouv.qc.ca" target="_blank">Julien.Dutel@mern.gouv.qc.ca</a>>:</p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA">Hello,</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA">In a project for a 24h retail, the exterior lighting need to comply to ASHRAE 90.1 2010 (zone 3). I’m focusing on table 9.4.3-B:</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-CA">In tradable surfaces, there is “Uncovered Parking areas/Parking areas and drive = 1.1 W/m<sup>2</sup>”</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:Symbol">·</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-CA">In non-tradable surfaces, there is “Parking near 24-hour retail entrances = 800 W per Main entry”</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA">My project has a main entry just next a 2000 m2 parking.</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA">Does anyone know if I can add the 800 W to the 2200 W allowed for the parking (2000 m<sup>2</sup> x 1.1 W/m<sup>2</sup>)?</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA">Many thanks</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA">Julien</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:green">Julien Dutel,</span></b><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:green"> ing., CEM, CMVP<b>.</b></span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Direction des secteurs résidentiel, institutionnel et des affaires</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Bureau de l'efficacité et de l'innovation énergétiques</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Ministère des Ressources naturelles</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">5700, 4e Avenue Ouest, B-406</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Québec (Québec) G1H 6R1</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Téléphone : <a href="tel:418%20627-6379" target="_blank">418 627-6379</a>, poste 8060</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Téléphone sans frais : <a href="tel:1%20877%20727-6655" target="_blank">1 877 727-6655</a></span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Télécopieur : <a href="tel:418%20643-5828" target="_blank">418 643-5828</a></span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR-CA"> <a href="http://www.efficaciteenergetique.mrn.gouv.qc.ca/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">http://www.efficaciteenergetique.mrn.gouv.qc.ca</span></a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ</span></b><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ce message est confidentiel. 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