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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=FR-CA link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Nick,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:#1F497D'>The question was for a demonstrating prescriptive compliance. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your quick and detailed answer (I’m really surprised that we could invoke an outdoor lighting exception for an interior lighting!)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:#1F497D'>Julien<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-CA style='mso-fareast-language:FR-CA'>De :</span></b><span lang=EN-CA style='mso-fareast-language:FR-CA'> Nicholas Caton [mailto:ncaton@catonenergy.com] <br><b>Envoyé :</b> 4 juin 2015 11:54<br><b>À :</b> Dutel, Julien (BEIE); bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Objet :</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] Swimming pool lighting with 90.1<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>Hi Julien,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>For either case, and even if the pools are interior to the building, I would consider citing “Lighting for swimming pools and water features” is under the exempted list for exterior lighting power calculations under 90.1-2010, and more broadly “athletic playing areas” under 90.1-2007. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>Evoking that exception, you could </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>A)</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#002060'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>have the baseline match the proposed (for a PRM model), </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>B)</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#002060'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>omit that lighting power entirely (for demonstrating prescriptive compliance), or else</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>C)</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#002060'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>the stage is then set for you to differentiate from the baseline by demonstrating how your design saves energy relative to “standard” pool lighting by way of separate/exceptional calculations.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>If you want to wrap into your interior LPD regardless, </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>1.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#002060'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>Gymnasium/Sports Arena/Exercise Center seem to be the likely candidates for BAM. </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>2.</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#002060'> </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>Class I through Class IV comes from IESNA Handbook/RP-6, and is used to differentiate illuminance recommendations based upon the degree of competition (ranging from professional/national at Class I down to amateur/recreational at class IV). I’d suggest having your lighting designer determine which set of illumination recommendations best matches the photometric calculations for pool surface/deck surface illumination.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'>~Nick</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'>NICK CATON, P.E.</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><b><span lang=EN-US style='color:#561782'>Owner</span></b><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='color:#561782'> </span></b><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#561782'>Caton Energy Consulting</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> 1150 N. 192<sup>nd</sup> St., #4-202</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'> Shoreline, WA 98133<br> office: 785.410.3317</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#561782'><a href="www.catonenergy.com"><span style='color:#561782'>www.catonenergy.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#002060'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Bldg-sim [mailto:<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:Julien.Dutel@mern.gouv.qc.ca">Julien.Dutel@mern.gouv.qc.ca</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2015 7:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Swimming pool lighting with 90.1<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'>Hello,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'>I have two concrete cases where I’m embarrassed regarding lighting in a swimming pool with 90.1.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'>Case 1 : A swimming pool building (the building is a swimming pool)</span></u><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'>In the lighting section of 90.1, the Building Area Method (9.5) has no building area type corresponding specifically to a swimming pool. My guess would be to choose the “Gymnasium” because as a swimming pool, there is high ceiling and locker room.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'>Using the Building Area Method, is the “Gymnasium” a correct assumption for a swimming pool building ? </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'>Case 2 : A swimming pool in a residential building</span></u><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'> Assuming that the “multifamily”’s LPD doesn’t allow me to comply to the Building Area Method, and I decide to choose the space by space method. My guess would be to choose a building-specific space type in the list “Sport Arena”, but I’m block by these <a href="http://energy-models.com/forum/energy-modeling-software/trace-700/leed-and-ashrae-901/lighting-power-density-space-space-meth">unanswered question</a> : what is the meaning of the class ? :</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'>Court sport arena – class 4</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'>Court sport arena – class 2</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:71.4pt'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'>Court sport arena – class 1</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'>Using the Space by Space Method, what would be the best building-specific space type for the area dedicated to the pool ?</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'>Thanks,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'>Julien</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:green'>Julien Dutel,</span></b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:green'> ing., CEM, CMVP<b>.</b></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:black'>Direction des secteurs résidentiel, institutionnel et des affaires</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:black'>Bureau de l'efficacité et de l'innovation énergétiques</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:black'>Ministère des Ressources naturelles</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:black'>5700, 4e Avenue Ouest, B-406</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:black'>Québec (Québec) G1H 6R1</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:black'>Téléphone : 418 627-6379, poste 8060</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:black'>Téléphone sans frais : 1 877 727-6655</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:black'>Télécopieur : 418 643-5828</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> <span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Droid Serif","serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.efficaciteenergetique.mrn.gouv.qc.ca/"><span style='color:blue'>http://www.efficaciteenergetique.mrn.gouv.qc.ca</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>